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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:18 PM
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If There Was Some Sort of Voter Manipulation in NH Then Clinton, Obama, and Edwards Know About It
Their top campaign staffs have more insight and resources into the subject than anyone doing Monday night quarterbacking from their computers over here.

YOU do not know more about the situation there than the campaigns do, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

But just for fun, lets say some sort of voter fraud/manipulation occurred.

That means that by continuing to accept donations despite knowing the game is rigged against them the Obama/Edwards camps are actively engaging in fraud by not "exposing" the truth.

Does that make Obama and Edwards a bunch of criminals?

See, I can have conspiracy theories too.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:20 PM
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1. shut up people! you have no EVIDENCE of this & you are not helping anything
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:22 PM
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3. Yes! Shut UP! Just because these machines are being dumped all over
the country and vote caging and voter roll purging is surfacing even in our whore media, don't listen!

Shut up! You all look like lunatics! Don't pay attention!
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:34 PM
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5. its my understanding that they used PAPER ballots yesterday
it was widely reported that they were RUNNING OUT OF BALLOTS even in the news. idiot!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:37 PM
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8. Let's see.
There are paper records THAT WILL NEVER BE COUNTED.

And, no, the "running out of paper ballots" was an effort to suppress the vote. No one ran out of paper ballots. Bradblog reported on this. You might use The Google to find a fact or two before you haul off and insult DUers who apparently are more careful than you are.



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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:40 PM
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9. wow! you are way out there. off to ignore with you
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:44 PM
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11. True. I am 'way out there with the facts of your election system.
lol
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:41 PM
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10. Spoken like a republican....
and I'm one of the ones who doesn't buy into NH vote tampering.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:21 PM
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2. The problem is that the campaigns have to make political calculations
where voters' first interest is not political but in the integrity of the election. Apples and oranges.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:27 PM
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4. The right-leaning repukes voted for McCain...........
Edited on Wed Jan-09-08 04:29 PM by TheDebbieDee
In New Hampshire, only Independents can choose whether to vote using a Democratic or Republican primary ballot. The savvy, repuke-leaning Independents had a choice of voting for: (1) Sen. Obama, who they think will be the easiest Democrat to beat in November, or (2) Sen. McCain to prevent lame-ass Romney or Huckabee from winning.

Too many of them voted for Sen. McCain and not enough of them voted for Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton wins! A minor miscalculation on the repukes part!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:35 PM
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6. all of these candidates...
and everyone here...at DU...knows, or should know... that our unique brand of computerized voting is rife with errors, and susceptible to tampering. Why is it...that none of the very easy fixes to this problem been put into effect? Good question. No answer here. But then nobody gives a shit...until elections come around...and by then it's too late. Looking to a 'sore loser' politician to demand accountability doesn't seem to work. 'Political will' comes from the people not from the politico's.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=203
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 04:36 PM
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7. For a little better perspective
check out the Daily Howler and the 2000 debacle in the polls before NH and the explanation they forgot about this time which could apply, having to do with turnout and which way Independents turn lured by two contests. it indeed doesn't look like enough indies went Dem to erase Clinton's core advatage and sping like weather made it easy for all, not favoring young voters of passion, supposedly. In any event this all happened before and the results within the volatility and the too narrow polling gap seem pretty reasonable, even compared to the prediction that McCain and Bush were neck and neck. MCCain won by 18% probably becuase the Indies were not wooed enough by Bradley.

So why on earth should anyone think McCain has more of a shot this time? he survived and only looks good clinging to Clinton's win, a totally different thing.

In balance all the cries of foul don't add up to as much a the hard groundwork already done and good weather turnout. The one creative thing, since abandonned by the GOP, was to import thousands of white bread immigrants into one of these New England states and take it over electorally. I guess despiute all the scheming people get frustrated by the relative changelessness of regional voters. The drama is good for a few per cent. I hope the ones rushing to cry foul aren't the same ones who banked on routing the Clinton supporters with absurdities. This is is supposed to be a positive learning experience no matter what the poor voters do our preferences in the booth.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:14 PM
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12. I'm very interested in this McCain resurgence. n/t
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-09-08 05:20 PM
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13. Yes.
I'm not sure about what happened with Clinton, it's weird, but the McCain thing is just bizarre. How can anyone be for this man who has the energy of a doorknob? He just doesn't seem to be working very hard.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 09:06 AM
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14. What resurgence?
Jusr repeating- with zero charismatic competition- his bigger win in 2000.
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