Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Will the racial tensions between African Americans and Hispanics hurt Obama?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:35 AM
Original message
Will the racial tensions between African Americans and Hispanics hurt Obama?
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 02:37 AM by TeamJordan23
Anyone who lives around Los Angeles must be aware of the rise of racial tension between African Americans and Hispanics in the area. While most of the recent tension stems from gang wars between the different group, do you think it could hurt Obama's chances in California? I am sure that many of those who are making trouble will not be voting, but it does likely creates negative perceptions for each group in the eyes of the other.

I am a big Obama supporter, but I think this could hurt him in California. I'm not sure if it would be enough to cost him the primary, but it could be a key factor in a close race.

Any others with any opinion on this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:44 AM
Response to Original message
1. Hispanics are voting for Hillary anyway, aren't they?
Can't lose what you never had....

In a poll from the Pew Hispanic Center released earlier this month, Clinton led among Latino Democrats with 59 percent, compared to 15 percent for Obama and four percent for John Edwards. In polls taken last week in California, Florida, Illinois, New York, and Texas by ImpreMedia, the largest Hispanic news company in the United States, Clinton led Obama by an astounding average of 55 to six percent among Hispanic Democrats. Edwards got only 1.8 percent. Of course, even with this kind of support from Hispanics, Clinton could still lose those primaries, but it certainly gives her an edge.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=314e8fae-3fd3-4af2-bfde-f0f8e069c1fe
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Shes just more popular
Obama is a fresh face to most who don't follow politics much. He's just now becoming someone people know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #2
6. I can assume you didn't read the article....
there is tension between blacks and hispanics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:46 AM
Response to Original message
3. your first instinct is right - these folks causing trouble don't vote.
No point in worrying about what or who other people are going to vote for anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 05:10 AM
Response to Reply #3
16. Good point! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:46 AM
Response to Original message
4. So Obama will lose, because Hispanics and Blacks are gangbangers who hate each other.
This seems like a balanced opinion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:47 AM
Response to Original message
5. I have no doubt that some Hispanics (if not many) oppose him right now in part because he is black
I also have no doubt that he could win many (if not most) of them over if they had the chance to get to know him. I've seen some bad numbers on how the Hispanic vote skews toward Clinton against Obama, but a lot of that is because he is unknown, both personally and politically, as opposed to, say, Illinois where they know him well.

I'm sure he'll be working the Hispanic vote hard in California in the coming weeks and he'll ultimately do well with them. I would suspect that Clinton still has an edge at the end of the day, but by much narrower margins than at present.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:51 AM
Response to Reply #5
7. Does anyone actually read the article, or not??
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 02:52 AM by 1corona4u
It specifically says;

But there may be another factor in Clinton's success among Latinos, particularly with regard to Obama. And it may have less to do with enthusiasm for her candidacy than with a lack of enthusiasm for the Illinois senator. Over the last two decades, there has been evidence of growing hostility from Hispanics toward African Americans. Some of this hostility is the result of conflicts, or perceived conflicts, over politically controlled resources in cities and states. But as Tanya K. Hernandez, a professor of law at George Washington, has argued recently, it may also be a legacy of an older Latin American prejudice against blacks that has been transplanted to this country.

While this conflict passes largely unnoticed in the popular press, African American and Latino sociologists have been conducting extensive surveys in Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, and Philadelphia. These surveys have generally found that Latinos display more prejudice toward African Americans than African Americans do toward Latinos or than whites display toward African Americans. In the words of University of Houston sociologist Tatcho Mindiola, Jr. and two associates, "in general African Americans have more positive views of Hispanics than vice versa."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. I read it, nuisance
and how does any of that conflict with what I said?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. Just forget it....sheesh...
If I have to explain everything, it's annoying. I get it, and I'm sure others will too. Those who aren't wearing rose colored glasses, that is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 02:54 AM
Response to Original message
8. Supposedly Obama did well among Hispanics in Iowa. Can anyone confirm this?
As the lone Hispanic in the race, Mr. Richardson was expected to draw support from sizable Latino populations in the coming primaries in Nevada and California.

His withdrawal could swing those voters to Mr. Obama, who had a strong Hispanic following in Iowa, or to Mrs. Clinton, whose campaign is making an equally vigorous outreach effort.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/us/politics/10richardson.html?ref=politics
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Hard to say..
they only broke it down in 3 groups, black, white, and other. He did ok with all of the groups. He didn't completely run away with it. But there's only 3.8% of the population in Iowa who are Hispanic. So, in the entire state, there are only about 87,000 Hispanics. But obviously, they all didn't vote. 'Others' would also include;

American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2006 (a) 0.4% 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2006 (a) 1.6% 4.4%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2006 (a) Z 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2006 1.0%
Foreign born persons, percent, 2000 3.1%

Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. We'll know in nine days
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:09 AM
Response to Original message
11. Temo Figueroa and Marshall Ganz
"In New York, after the rally, Figueroa wasn't hanging with the media, he was hanging with the field workers. "We don't train volunteers. We train organizers," he told me. The son of farm worker organizers (and a former top politico at AFSCME) Figueroa knows the difference between a volunteer -- who does what s/he's told -- and an organizer who's a decision-maker in his/her community. At Camp Obama, the campaign's twice-weekly training sessions in Chicago, participants train with Figueroa's mentors -- men like Harvard Professor Marshall Ganz, once a United Farm Workers organizing director -- and with the people who trained Obama – mentees of grassroots organizer Saul Alinsky."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=238867

I'm not worried about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:12 AM
Original message
By all means....
don't give it a second thought....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:12 AM
Response to Original message
13. whoever California Hispanics pick in the primary,
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 03:12 AM by provis99
They're pretty reliable Democratic voters in the general election. Whoever wins the party nomination can count on California Hispanic support. Hispanics have traditionally turned out at very low numbers for primary elections, however, so feelings about the individual Democratic candidates might not be very strong, regardless of who the candidates are, and won't matter much in the overall primary vote tally, anyways.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 03:38 AM
Response to Original message
15. Hillary has the endorsement of Villaraigosa and Fabian Nunez
she will take the latino vote overall but the younger ones seem to be more for Obama. if Obama can get a good turnout of younger voters it should help.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:15 AM
Response to Original message
17. What racial tensions? Gangs???? Please. I doubt they vote.
C'mon. I live in NJ. Blacks and hispanics get along just fine. So do blacks and Jews.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
magatte Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:37 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Will Hillary's lack of moral core and links to lobbyists hurt her in this election?
If it is all about shit-stirring... we can all play this game
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. The O P Is A Vocal Obama Supporter
He raised the question of Hillary benefiting from tension between Hispanics and African Americans...

But Hillary gets blamed for shit stirring....

Truth is a precious commodity here...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 04:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC