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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:10 AM
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Anybody remember when Obama ordered followers to harass the HRC not to
publicly condemn his McClurkin tour?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:11 AM
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1. I Don't
Perhaps you can elaborate.
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Crazy Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:12 AM
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2. Simple
It's the "My candidate is great, yours sucks" syndrome.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:13 AM
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3. Sure
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/10/dissonance_over.html

"Obama's advisers also asked supporters to contact the Human Rights Campaign, a leading national gay rights organization, and urge the group not to criticize the senator, The Politico reported. The Human Rights Campaign is expected to issue a statement shortly."
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:18 AM
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5. Interesting, Thanks nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:39 AM
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8. its the Human rights campaign, NOT Hil Rod. clinton---confused I was
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:46 AM
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10. Wow...he wanted people to contact a group
That sure is harassment.

Or democracy...

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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:16 AM
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4. HRC statement and link
Edited on Thu Jan-10-08 07:18 AM by AndyA
"I spoke with Sen. Barack Obama today and expressed to him our community’s disappointment for his decision to continue to remain associated with Rev. McClurkin, an anti-gay preacher who states the need to ‘break the curse of homosexuality.’ There is no gospel in Donnie McClurkin’s message for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people and their allies. That’s a message that certainly doesn’t belong on any Presidential candidate’s stage."


http://www.hrc.org/7949.htm

Barack Obama is a bigot and a hypocrite. He would say the same thing if another candidate promoted someone with an anti-black message. There is no difference.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:27 AM
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6. Is this related to something new going on? Or are you
pointing out it was a weaselly thing to do?


Here's the HRC's statement, incidentally:


Human Rights Campaign Statement on Sen. Obama’s South Carolina Gospel Tour

10/24/2007

WASHINGTON – Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation’s largest gay civil rights organization, released the following statement in response to Sen. Barack Obama’s South Carolina Gospel Tour featuring anti-gay gospel singer, Rev. Donnie McClurkin:

"I spoke with Sen. Barack Obama today and expressed to him our community’s disappointment for his decision to continue to remain associated with Rev. McClurkin, an anti-gay preacher who states the need to ‘break the curse of homosexuality.’ There is no gospel in Donnie McClurkin’s message for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people and their allies. That’s a message that certainly doesn’t belong on any Presidential candidate’s stage."

"I did thank him for announcing he would be adding an openly gay minister as part of the tour and for his willingness to call on religious leaders to open a dialogue about homophobia. We hope that Sen. Obama will move forward and facilitate face to face meetings with religious leaders, like Rev. McClurkin, and the GLBT community to confront the issue of homophobia."

"We also call on all of the Presidential campaigns to look within their ranks of supporters and make the same commitment to engage in a dialogue among differing views around issues of equality and fairness for our community."

Rev. McClurkin, an "ex-gay" gospel singer and minister who has called homosexuality a "curse", has repeatedly stated his opposition to homosexuality as being against "the intention of God."

On August 9, Sen. Obama joined the leading Democratic presidential candidates in addressing issues important to the GLBT community at the Logo/HRC Foundation presidential forum in Los Angeles. During his interview with panelists Joe Solmonese, singer/activist Melissa Etheridge, and journalists Margaret Carlson and Jonathan Capehart, Sen. Obama addressed and the issue of homophobia in the black church.

The Human Rights Campaign is America’s largest civil rights organization working to achieve gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender equality. By inspiring and engaging all Americans, HRC strives to end discrimination against GLBT citizens and realize a nation that achieves fundamental fairness and equality for all.

-30-


http://www.hrc.org/news/7949.htm
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:34 AM
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7. Nah, just thought I'd remind people
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:41 AM
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9. Ah, OK. Well, it's certainly a fair thing to point out
since the Obama people don't have a problem with embracing homophobes.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:50 AM
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11. Couldn't care less about McClurkin's positions
But can he sing?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:55 AM
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12. You don't care that he's a bigot and was embraced by
a United States presidential candidate to perform as part of his campaign?
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 07:57 AM
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13. Not really
I don't agree with him, and Obama said he didn't either. But is it news to you that some people don't like gays?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:12 AM
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14. No, of course it's not news to me but let me just quickly
explain why this McClurkin person is a particularly dangerous individual.

He claims homosexuality is evil and a choice.

So there's no telling how many people are saying, "Gee, if a gay person is saying it's a choice, and he can change, it must be true. See, McClurkin says he can do it. Why should I support equal rights for gays if it's just a choice lifestyle and change is possible."

It's a extremely poisonous position McClurkin has adopted.

This is why you should care, if you believe all human beings deserve to be treated equal.

McClurkin is sending the message, even if indirectly, that gay people don't need to be treated equal.

And thus, the outrage.
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RummyTheDummy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:23 AM
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16. I get the outrage
I absolutely believe that being gay is not a choice, and that it's completley genetic.

I do agree, they deserve to be treated equally.

And I'm absolutley in favor of gay marriage. Voted for it in 2004 and loathed the way Rove used it that year.

However, I fail to see how his position on this is any more outrageous and destructive than some of Hillary's past and present positions on Iraq that Clinton supporters seem to have forgotten.

And yes, in retrospect, Obama should have hired Teddy Pendergrass or Al Green.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:36 AM
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18. Okay, I respect what you're saying. You're orignial
post just came across as though you didn't care at all.

Thanks for clarifying.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:15 AM
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15. You probably should avoid using "HRC" in this context.
It could mean either the Human Rights Campaign or Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 08:30 AM
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17. I care.
Thanks for reminding me that he used a homophobic singer to promote his campaign. Was he trying to win votes on the crushed and beaten backs of Gay and Lesbian citizens? Was he trying to make himself more respectable among the racists in the South? Whatever the reason, it is not a good indication that he will promote equality among all citizens.
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