I just talked to a witness: Iowa caucus precinct cut the cards to decide a delegate!!!

This happened in Mills County. I learned of this today from a union member that was there. This is not a based on here-say post. Is anyone here active with Bev at black box?

After what she did to Andy

:scared:

High card between the three camps won a delegate. I know the math formula should have prevented this.

The formula was: votes per candidate times delegates in the precinct then divided by total attending precinct.

Last I knew Bev has not filled out required audits for the IRS either, but she is the first to come to mind for vote fraud.

"I know the math formula should have prevented this."

Uh, you don't know it was well as you claim to.

The IDP rules state that if the math results in a tie (yes that is possible), that this is acceptable.

The precinct captains would have had to agree to this, so I don't know why you think you are more entitled to decide how WE nominate OUR delegates than WE are.

Please explain Mr. I-know-the-rules.

She is a scam artist who bilked Duers out of a lot of money.She also defrauded Radi Rhodes listeners and Had Keith Olbermn speak out against her.You can search the archives for the damage she did. She was vicious to our own Any Stephenson when he was dying and din't pay him needed money he was owed.

decide.

to determine where the group as a whole would go to.

everybody, I think.. or at least would know who to get the info to.

Bev Harris can kiss my lily white ass!!!

:puke: :grr:

Seriously. In the instances where two subcaucuses are tied, a cointoss was allowed to decide the tie.

If two subcaucuses were in fact tied after the second round, you have to decide how to split the spare delegate somehow. Drawing cards is as good a method as any.

but a different game of chance could be used if all those involved were in agreement.

I thought I read that somewhere-- glad somebody knows for sure! :hi:

I just keep re-posting the link. :hi:

If this happened at a caucus it could involve a couple different scenarios. My one disclaimer will be that I'm assuming the way delegates are elected in Iowa is similar to how we do it in Minnesota.

Scenario #1
The subcaucus for canditate Y had enough people in it to elect one delegate to the next convention level. Eventunally two people tied for the delegate slot. At that point there might have been an agreement within the subcaucus to break the tie by cutting cards or flipping a coin. More than likely the attendee who did not win the card cut would be the alternate to the next convention.

Scenario #2
There are 3 viable subcaucuses. The precinct gets to send 7 delegatates to the next convention level. There are 31 people attending the caucus.
The subcaucus counts break down like this:
Candidate A subcaucus 11 memebers
Candidate B subcaucus 11 memebers
Candidate C subcaucus 9 memebers

If you take the 31 total caucus attendees and divide it by 7 you get 4.43. This means it takes 4.43 individuals to get 1 delegate. If we divide the subcaucus counts by 4.43 we get:

Candidate A 11/7 = 2.48 delegates
Candidate B 11/7 = 2.48 delegates
Candidate C 9/7 = 2.03 delegates

As a rule, the group with the highest remainder gets the extra delegate, but here there are two with identical counts. If both subcaucses agreed to it, it is possible that whether candidate A or candidate B got the 3 delegate may have been decided by cutting cards.

it's right there in the rules.

http://www.iowafirstcaucus.org/pdfs/2008_Caucus_Guide.pdf

<snip>

Note: It is not allowable to have more preference groups than there are
delegates to elect. If this happens:
· The smallest preference groups must be given an opportunity to realign.
· If two preference groups are tied as the smallest preference groups, then it is
necessary to flip a coin to determine which preference group must realign.

<snip>

Note: In a case where two or more preference groups are tied for the loss of
a delegate, a coin should be tossed to determine who loses the delegate.

<snip>

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The caucus guide states that a coin toss should be used but at caucus training we were told that another game of chance cold be used if all were in agreement.

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Caucuses aren't elections so 'election reform' couldn't be used anyway. Every candidate who participated in the Iowa Caucuses knew the rules and how the caucuses were run.

:hi:

Or is it a big secret? x(

Thanks MaineDem!

We try not to have secrets. :)

It's in the training, in the caucus guide, and on our website. Like you.

I just wish we could afford your dial-in tally system. It's way out of our price range.

(you know when you demand two forms of picture ID and each caucusgoers first born upon arrival). x(

I'd really love to know where this happened and who was there.

cutting the cards ? well that`s interesting to say the least.

I know it is here in Maine. If there's a tie, any agreed upon format can be used to determine the winner (cut the cards, coin toss, etc.)

I don't see any conspiracy here at all!

Did you know that I heard that Hoyle, the makers of the cards used, is/was a REPUBLICAN!

Down with Iowa!

:rofl:

About trying to legitimize that woman HERE.