Damning with faint praise. Bill Clinton suggests only reason for Blacks to vote for Obama is..

. . .drum roll please. BECAUSE HE IS BLACK

NOTE TO BILL THAT AIN'T THE ONLY REASON

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"If you decide to vote for Senator Obama, I respect you, because it is a source of enormous pride in the African-American community, and it should be. He is an impressive man," Clinton said.

However, Clinton said black voters should support his wife because of her policies and record in the Senate.

"I would argue that she is better for your life and your future, and right now, we have to pick the person who is most ready to be president," he said.
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jIPjLy2zdP2UFpnZcyg2TMR7TPRQD8U3VCUG0

he's not better on policies that affect blacks and he's not a progressive

than South Africa did at its worst.

We've become a prison state and NOBODY wants to talk about it.

It's a disgrace.

Explain this.

like the different penalties for crack and regular cocaine. In addition Black people are more likely to be in prison for crimes they didn't commit. And white people are much more likely to get excused for their crimes and given another chance.
Justice is racist in this country. There is no argument about that.

Yours is better. :hi:

the justice system also favors those with money over the poor.

I am 100% against the death penalty, and I don't believe that any life is more precious than another, but I understand the perspective BO holds.

What does the candidate you support believe about the death penalty?

"But he supports capital punishment in cases "so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment."

from

http://deathpenaltyusa.blogspot.com/2007/02/barack-obama-and-death-penalty.html
Abolish the Death Penalty: Barack Obama and the death penalty


as of jan 2007-illinois has 11 on death row-

3 black
5 white
3 latino

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=5&did=184
Race of Death Row Inmates Executed Since 1976

for the size of the population of illinois has one of the fewest number of people on death row

"for the size of the population of illinois has one of the fewest number of people on death row"

That's because the Guv of Illinois in 2003 reduced all (at that time) death penalty convictions to life imprisonment, due to huge numbers of people being exonerated from death row in his state due to actual innocence claims.

brought down by pat fitzgerald. george ryan the governor that started this got into a big pissing contest with then governor george bush over the death penalty and executions. here in illinois,we have a hard time keeping our governors out of trouble.fitzgerald is going to take down the democratic governor next.

. . .drum roll please. BECAUSE HE IS BLACK

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Great news!

That means women are free to stop supporting Hillary because she's a woman!

Clinton to be less so you can vote against Hillary, you don't mind telling lies or mis-informing DU to give that impression.

. . .I just didn't bold it. Do I have to follow a certain style. If I wanted to deny he used impressive I could have omitted it.

word Clinton used.

Hard to see how you got from "impressive" to "because he is black"

"If you decide to vote for Governor Carter, I respect you, because it is a source of enormous pride in the state of Georgia, and it should be. He is an impressive man," my dad would have felt proud.

He said this is the first campaign the Clintons were in where they weren't the only blacks running. I had to laugh... They don't know how to handle the potential lack of support.

someone who actually stands for something besides myths and self-adoration.

To vote for Obama simply because he's black...

. . .they are held to the same standard? WOW!

"because it was time for a woman to be President".

Isn't that just as much bullshit, if not worse?

If he brings it up he turns a lot of voters I am told. Isn't DU great.

and i`m sure that his listeners can make their own decisions

That is a perfectly fine reason for anyone to vote for anyone, whatever their race.

goddamn stupid and disingenous..I hope this comes back and bites him in his lyin' ass.

:grouphug:

:kick:

but being female is not supposed to be part of our identity doncha know.
Personally I think that since she is the best qualified candidate I am proud to be able to support the first woman with a real chance to become president and not the least but apologetic for it.:grouphug:

If it works, then we know we've put up the candidate who can fight the best. If it doesn't, then it will have been great preparation for the Republican attack machine.

to put an end to this gutter politics. If you think the way to win a campaign is to throw around racial slurs and engage in the worst kind of personal attack politics, if that's what you want for your country, then you're supporting the wrong candidate.

If Clinton's works, then I'm glad to find out now rather than next November.

The new theme song, "It's my party, and I'll cry if I want to."

No wonder the Republicans hate her so much.

a question concerning Sen Obama's consistency from the time he was a state senator and when he was running his statewide campaign. I don't see this as particularly exttreme or out of bounds particularly if he is right.

Next I believe the former president states his opinion that he believes Sen Clinton's policies would better conincide with the goals of the African American political structure then would Sen Obama's.

I don't see the venom of the interview or the diabolical nature of it. Seems like honest, within bounds, difference of opinion.

because Hillary is better on issues that are important to the African American community. Whether or not she is, I'll leave to others to decide. But, I didn't criticize Elizabeth Edwards when she said that her husband was better than Clinton on women's issues!

"If you decide to vote for Governor Carter, I respect you, because it is a source of enormous pride in the state of Georgia, and it should be. He is an impressive man."

No problem there.

Where the fuck does he say anything even close to that? The ONLY reason???

"Bill Clinton suggests only reason for Blacks to vote for Obama is... . . BECAUSE HE IS BLACK"

Now tell me again how "some" (lotsa some) DU Obama supporters aren't stretching to paint everything they can in black and white. Your passion for your candidate has crossed the line to hysteria. Damn scary bunch.

But seriously where did he say 'BECAUSE HE IS BLACK'. This kind of stuff is really sad.

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"If you decide to vote for Senator Obama

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What reason is there to vote for him? Notice the sequence.

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it is a source of enormous pride in the African-American community, and it should be. He is an impressive man

I am so sick to death of people chewing up everything that anyone say, and then spitting it back out the way it fits the argument they want to make.

I put no stock in the obligatory "I respect you." It reminds me of Bill Parcells prefacing his comment about "Jap plays" by saying he intended no disrespect.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

He never said, "I respect you, even if you are voting for him because he is black." At best, that's YOUR interpretation of what he meant. Frankly, since you put it quotes, I'd call it lie.

I think they will soon decide he is NOT black and never was.

Very funny.

"Only reason..." Clinton's words suggest no such thing as people insist on making racism the issue of the campaign.

Why is that? Is there so little substance to Obama that he needs the racism issue to prevail? Huh? Is that the reason?

:thumbsup:

I'm actually hoping that Obama doesn't ask J. Jackson to apologize or step down.

Methinks. Now we're manipulating every single word a person utters at Obama.

it will turn off white voters...

and quickly he is unfit to serve as president. Just or not, fair or not, the race issue must NOT become a public issue. If Obama kills that slime now, he will gain more voters than he can count...and not a few who would never have thought of voting for a black man. How can that be. Because people are tired of it, they know it is wrong, they know it exists, but they also know that it cannot be defeated by division and strife. It is nopt a matter that it needs exposure, it is over-exposed. Every time things start getting straightened out at the neighborhood level some one with an agenda, black and white, creates a national issue that filters right down to neighbors and they are forced to take sides and then it is right back to square one.

So if Obama shows that on the national level he can shut off the issue and those who benefit by it constantly being raised, he will have shown an awful lot of moderates that by god he will keep the crap under control and the neighborhoods can once again go back to building and mending fences.

I don't expect some to understand what I have written here, but those that do will agree I think. Obama can make the first meaningful dent in racism in quite awhile with a simple act. Will he do it?

I'm a pasty, freckled, pudgy Irish guy who likes hockey, istens to Johnny Cash, and sunburns easily. I'm as white a guy as you're ever going to find.

I also support Obama.

It's not becuase he's black. It's because he's the best candidate. It's because of his work on nuclear and conventional weapons non-proliferation. It's because of his efforts to make the budget process more transparent and accountable. it's because of his committment to ethics reform. It's because he seeks to elevate our national standing by appealing to our best, most idealistic instincts, instead of playing gutter politics.

about making nice with republicans? Clinton just paid Obama a compliment. Take it graciously. Do you really imagine that Bill is not going to say he thinks his policies are better? I think they are too. I guess that makes me a racist.

I think Obama's campaign is the one that made this all about race, not the Clintons. But if he is going to go there then he can't people to just shut up and not dispute his standing with black voters or compete for those votes.

I wish all the paraphrasing would stop.

Her experience at Bimbo Patrol apparently wasn't very good either.

It looks like Hillary couldn't control her husband and it looks like he didn't really give a shit about respecting her. That's all you need to know about these two.

I wonder if you even realize what an incredibly sexist term that is? It's been used for centuries to blame women for acts beyond their control.As if somehow their husband's sexual indiscretions must be the result of something women are directly responsible for.It's about as superficial as "blaming" a woman for aging in a youth obsessed society.

wife..tough shit they have a real candidate competing with their smoke and fooking mirrors.

I hope Obama blows bill's racism right outta the fucking water..and he can do that by just keep doing what he's doing and all of sudden bill will wake up and go..whoa, my slurs didn't work, hill-ary.

sour grapes, Mr. President.

doncha?

It's about defining your opponent. First they tried the "experience" tactic. However, that was not working. After studying this campaign it was decided that since Obama doesn't make race an issue, that they had to force him to do so. Of course the attacks were far removed from their candidate. I never would ever refer to the Clintons as racists; however, they want race to be an issue. It is all about winning.

Sen. Clinton's reference to MLK and Johnson was planned to be more subtle, but she botched the line. Damage control will be done on MTP in morning.

Inexperienced....not really against the war....an empty suit....and a person who uses race as an issue. That is who Team Clinton wants America to believe is named Barack Obama.

The other card being played by Bill Clinton, and maybe some of the others is "fear." Right of Rove's playbook.

This past week has made me like Obama quite a bit.