SNEAK PEEK: 'Shuck & Jive'

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=4122927&page=1

The Clintons defended themselves Friday against charges of racial insensitivity towards Democratic rival Barack Obama.

"Well, I think its regrettable because both of these accusations are baseless and divisive and any fair reading of what both of us said would be clear and I think it's regrettable that these are being in a way used to try to divide people in our country during this election and I'm not going to have any part of it," Clinton told ABC News. "I personally find it offensive."

"You know," she continued, "I was inspired by Dr. King when I was a young girl. I considered him one of my heroes, a global symbol, an icon of everything that is the best about America and he worked his entire life to make the changes that we enjoy today so I hope that this kind of unfortunate political activity really just ceases because I don't think this is what we want this election to be about."

Clinton made her comments to ABC's Eloise Harper while campaigning in East Los Angeles, Calif. She was asked if comments she made about Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and remarks her husband made about Obama receiving "fairy-tale" treatment from the press might hurt her standing with African Americans.

Just the charges that it's a racist comment?

a little while to catch up. Somebody like Al Sharpton will have to make a stink because it appears white people don't get anything until Al or Jesse say something. And then, white people throw out "race card" to dismiss it all. It's really disgusting.

As you note, white people really don't get much about this, even now, after the country being ripped apart by race since its inception. I got used to being ashamed to be white long ago. This is just one more thing that makes me ashamed.

sounds like an oyster bar I've been too...a great one! Oysters being shucked for you while you sit back and enjoy the tunes.....

Partial transcript of Cuomo radio interview, supplied by AG's office:

Question: "You know I’ve said this on my show before, I think the American people are very lucky to have most these candidates, the major party candidates, I think they’re all quality people, they have disagreements, but they’re all quite talented, and I think the people of Iowa and now New Hampshire really have allowed the rest of America to see much of this because I think to their great credit it requires politicians to kind of get down, not kind of, get down in the grassroots, I think I heard John McCain say he had something like 110 community meeting before the primaries - fabulous - you know, I wish we could see that here in New York."

Andrew Cuomo: "You know I’ve spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it’s a good thing.
"It’s not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can’t just buy your way through that race ...It doesn’t work that way, it’s frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
"You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference, you can’t just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.

Unless you try to make it so.

From Webster's New World Dictionary:
shuck
n.
1. a shell, pod, or husk; esp., the husk of an ear of corn
2. the shell of an oyster or clam
3. (pl.) (Informal) something valueless "not worth shucks"
4. (Slang) a) a hoax or fraud b) a fraudulent person or thing; phony
vt.
1. to remove shucks from (corn, clams, etc.)
2. to remove like a shuck, "to shuck one's clothes"
3. (Slang) to fool or hoax
vi.
(Slang) to fool or deceive, often in a playful way
**********
jive
(Slang) to speak (to) in a way that is exaggerated, insincere, flippant, etc., esp. in trying to fool or mislead
n.
1. (Slang) talk used in jiving someone
2. former term for JAZZ or SWING (c. 1930-45)
adj.
(Slang) insincere, misleading, fake, fraudulent, etc.: also jive-ass
---------------------
I don't see any mention of race in the definitions. Hell, my former Governor Mike the Huckster is a "shuck and jive" artist big time.

"You know," she continued, "I was inspired by Dr. King when I was a young girl. I considered him one of my heroes...."


I guess Hillary thinks were too stupid to know that she was once a "Goldwater Girl" in the 60's?

If you know what Goldwater stood for back then, you would understand she wouldnt give a rats ass about Martin Luther King as she was growing up.

but Goldwater wasn't that bad on civil rights, and considering the era --he was arguably one of the better ones for a Republican

Goldwater supported the Arizona NAACP and was involved in desegregating the Arizona National Guard. Nationally, he supported the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and the constitutional amendment banning the poll tax. However, he opposed the much more comprehensive Civil Rights Act of 1964; he argued that, among other things, it unconstitutionally extended the federal government's commerce power to private citizens in its drive to "legislate morality" and restrict the rights of employers. Since conservative Southern Democrats were the main opponents to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and previous civil rights legislation, Goldwater's opposition to the 1964 Act, in which he was joined by only four other non-Southern Republican senators, strongly boosted Goldwater's standing among white Southerners who opposed such federal legislation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

He definitely did not agree with the social conservatism that took over the party. Don't have a link to his quote, but I remember him saying something about that.

that get upset about Hillary being a "Goldwater Girl" in her teens don't even know what that means.

--and then they go listen to Stephanie Miller. heh.

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to notice the dates on the POS he linked. Hillary was confronted about these supposed bigoted remarks in 2000, before the 2000 election. As I'm sure you and everyone should remember, Hillary was under constant attack and ridicule all through Bill Clinton's time in office. And so these claims of her saying racist and anti-Semitic remarks all surfaced as Bush, Rove and company were aiming for the White House.

It doesn't take away the racist remarks made.

*blink* *blink* MLK was a symbol that would have been nothing without the white President that made him!

believed because that is what we want to believe. Then all who think like that pile on and cheer for their team. DU becomes irrelevant. No one seems to care.

There are true words that were spoken. There is a true history to consider. Everything does not boil down to differing opinions from differing sides.

That she felt perfectly comfortable marginalizing Dr King. That her NH chair put out ugly racial slurs, and Billy Shaheen is not just a no-name underling. Neither is Andrew Cuomo, and those remarks are stunning. Then there's the moron who called Obama an imaginary hip black friend. And the forwarding of the Muslim emails. What does it take for you to see a pattern emerging from her campaign? Then you look at her Gandhi comment, and accusations of Jewish slurs, who is blinded?

for people to avoid exercising judgement. "It's all out of control, we should just ignore it." I say this because I suspect that that is what the perpetrators of all this want - to engender an argument that is so emotional that people will just walk away from all of it, including the black candidate.

I am finding it very challenging myself.

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These allegations came up in 2000 before Bush's first run for the WHite House. Don't you smell a Rovian fish?

goes on about Hillary's "foul mouth" --- how many times she said "fuck." Sorry, but I am :rofl:

She has a past of making racist comments herself. And now it starts coming out of people connected to the Clintons for years. I live in white America, I know what gets said behind closed doors. This shit does not surprise me in the least.

Come on, look at the context of when those allegations were made.

She apologized for the Gandhi remarks, they were definitely made. Like I said, with these recent incidents, it puts a whole new light on her past.

could very well be contrived since they came forward during an election year. Though Bill Clinton wasn't running again, Republicans would smear Clinton's wife in the attempt to further diminish the Clinton Presidency which, in turn, would be a smear on Gore, Clinton's VP.

It has as little substance as the allegations about Vince Foster if not less. Just like the saying about seeing the splinter in my eye but not the log in your own. No credibility can be given when this is the evidence cited by those claiming the injury.

How many times does she get a pass on nasty remarks?

it most certainly did happen. Between that, and the recent garbage, who knows what all she's said in her lifetime.

fair enough, but it's important for people to remember this crap. It's not new.

:shrug:

I'm not planning on making it a campaign, believe me.

Now that's an intelligent, thoughtful, factual (not) and stupid comment if I ever heard one. You take the cake! Next you'll know what she dreamed about and come here and complain and analyze them.

I just turn this website on before I hit the sack and this kind of intelligent comment is what I see. Sorry I bothered!

or some such shit. Sorry that kind of intelligent, thoughtful, factual and stupid comment doesn't bother you.

Your mind is made up.

everyone now sees that the Clintons will use race to get into office and its quite unbecoming of them.

Yeah, everyone. :eyes:

He just believes in fairness.

Partial transcript of Cuomo radio interview, supplied by AG's office:

Question: "You know I’ve said this on my show before, I think the American people are very lucky to have most these candidates, the major party candidates, I think they’re all quality people, they have disagreements, but they’re all quite talented, and I think the people of Iowa and now New Hampshire really have allowed the rest of America to see much of this because I think to their great credit it requires politicians to kind of get down, not kind of, get down in the grassroots, I think I heard John McCain say he had something like 110 community meeting before the primaries - fabulous - you know, I wish we could see that here in New York."

Andrew Cuomo: "You know I’ve spent a lot of time in other races, especially in Iowa and in New Hampshire, back with Gore and back with Clinton. Those races require you to do something no other race does, you know, and I like it, and I agree with you, it’s a good thing.
"It’s not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can’t just buy your way through that race ...It doesn’t work that way, it’s frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with ten people in a living room.
"You can’t shuck and jive at a press conference, you can’t just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don’t work when you’re in someone’s living room.

Where's the insult?

They are the one's making this about race in order to prop up their candidate.

That Obama won Iowa.

And for the record - after careful consideration, I officially don't care if it's racially insensitive. There are, there have been, there will continue to be attacks on Hillary for not acting enough like a woman or acting too much like a woman. So be it. If you're going to dish it out ...

Hmm?

there wasn't any insult and those who see it seem to have challenges in reading comprehension.

intended to give African-Americans more of a voice in choosing the Dem nominee. Why is HRC trying to defeat that by staying on the ballot in Michigan?

:shrug:

How about giving all black people in US - as well as the rest of them the same voice - one primary date for all.

:shrug"

eom

and it wasn't directed at Obama. How this gets mixed up with Hillary is beyond me.

So she says she's offended that black people are offended? Is that how I read that? She doesn't directly challenge the actual phrase. She's just offended that black people are offended? Black people need to start protesting at every Clinton event!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4039927&mesg_id=4039927

Thanks a lot!

GObama!!

Why is the title "Shuck and Jive"? Cuomo is not mentioned in the article

So I ask again, what exactly is ABC news doing here?