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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:47 PM
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"Obama's fresh face is useless when it comes to American power politics."
Hillary Clinton supports universal health care and Obama doesn’t, so why is the left so confused?

By Susan G. Cole
Now Magazine

"Obama has few friends in high places (Oprah doesn’t count, thank you very much) and won’t have much clout to do what it takes to get bills passed.
Compare his experience to Lyndon Johnson’s when he took over the Oval Office. That architect of the Vietnam fiasco? Uh-huh. It was Johnson who used his powers of persuasion and the old favours owed to him and every piece of info he had on every member of Congress to make sure America’s most important civil rights legislation got passed during his tenure.

Does anyone actually think Obama’s got the stuff to take on vested interests to represent Afro-Americans, peace activists, the movement against climate change? Or are the Dem ranks so shallow as to get sucked in by oratory from the political equivalent of a pop star?{/B]


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For the record, Hillary Clinton’s health care plan is more universal than Obama’s; he’s happy with HMOs as long as they charge low-income Americans less. Obama casts himself as the peace candidate – he did vote against the war – despite the fact that since that early vote he’s supported every bill calling for war appropriations in Iraq. Yes, Clinton did, too, but why pick him over her?

And why are folks seeking “change’’ giving John Edwards a pass?" As anti-war activist Tom Hayden pointed out this week, he is the only major presidential candidate to favour withdrawing American troops from Iraq. (Clinton and Obama, while pushing de-escalation, would leave troops and advisers in Iraq until 2013.)


http://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=161288
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 01:51 PM
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1. "Obama has few friends in high places"
Susan, I have John Kerry on the line for you.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:03 PM
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2. Johnson was the polar opposite of Obama. No nicey nicey for him.
Kerry's patting Obama on the head doesn't cut it in power politics. If Obama had the balls of Johnson he would have adopted John Edward's stance toward corporate power.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:08 PM
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3. George Miller "patted him on the head" too this week
Ponder that when you're back in the la-la land of Edwards is the only Democrat with balls.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:27 PM
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6. As someone wrote in KOS "Miller's enndorsement is perhaps
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 02:28 PM by snagglepuss
the closest thing to getting a Nancy Pelosi endorsement as you can come without actually getting it. Miller is incredibly close with her politically. He wouldn't be doing this without her consent of sorts."

We all know that Pelosi and her ilk has set fire underneath the Bush administration, held the Repukes hand to the fire. :sarcasm:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:31 PM
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8. They will when they have the votes...and they see Obama getting them the votes
We've had two elections so far. Turnout has been huge among younger voters, independents and even some Republicans coming out to vote for Obama. That's real world power as opposed to the raw feeling that Edwards is preaching to the converted.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:59 PM
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11. The Pied Piper also attracted a following and certainly had power over people.
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 03:01 PM by snagglepuss
Getting elected is the easy part for people with Obama's kind of charisma. Charisma may work on an electorate hungry for a hero but it won't work with HMO's. Power politics that Johnson excelled at is the ability to face down opponents, face down people who don't think you are the embodiment of the second coming.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:35 PM
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12. A get-a-grip lecture from an Edwards supporter
That's funny.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 04:40 PM
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13. Your reply is as empty as an Obama stump speech.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:05 PM
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15. lol!!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:15 PM
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5. Reality check.
bushco ran as a uniter and no nicey nicey for him either. If Obama was running a campaign like JE he'd be in last place- and furthermore he's been speaking out against corporate power for months. Not nearly to the degree Edwards has but it's there in the majority of his speeches and on his website.

Obama is a smart fighter and the first fight is winning the dem nomination. The second is winning the presidency. Not revealing your entire hand is just smart.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:05 PM
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14. So was the real JFK
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:10 PM
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4. Kerry's so yesterday
Many Democrats are still angry at him for 2004. His endorsement is rooted in what is apparently a higher self-opinion than reality allows.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:28 PM
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7. "he did vote against the war"
When?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:32 PM
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9. Here's a must read....
kind of an interesting view of Obama;

AT FIRST glance, Alycia Lane and Barack Obama might seem to have have little in common.
The former CBS 3 anchorwoman is white, female, single and out of a job. The Illinois senator is black, male, happily hitched and not about to visit the unemployment line anytime soon. They are about as different as the positions of Mitt Romney and . . . Mitt Romney.

But there's one vital thread that binds: The rock-star aspect of their public success.

Now before the Obama supporters start declaring jihad on my little piece of journalistic real estate, I'm not implying that the Iowa caucus winner (and New Hampshire runner-up) is all surface and no substance.

And, in fairness to Alycia, I'm not implying that her cheekbones are higher than her I.Q.

What I am saying is that these two figures are symbols of what we the public want and desire and hope for. And in failing to recognize that they are as human as you or I, in making them superstars in their respective fields, we are engaging in dangerous hero worship.

As far as the beautiful journalist is concerned, she created an earthquake on her arrival in provincial little Philadelphia back in 2003. Not since Jerry Pennacoli had his fateful meeting with a rumored gerbil did a local news personality cause such a stir.

And it wasn't as if Alycia wasn't competent.

She read copy with just the right amount of grace, pausing at the appropriate moments, flashing those impossibly white teeth and ever-so-gently tossing her glossy tresses to emphasize a point.

But, frankly, she wasn't John Facenda, a man whose voice narrated our history for decades, even after his death. She wasn't Jim O'Brien, whose folksy Southern ways melted the most jaded of Philly hearts. And she definitely wasn't Jessica Savitch, who embodied the term "Golden Girl."

Yet, hungry for a superstar, we made her into the anchorbabe who showed up as regularly in the gossip pages as she did before the TelePrompTer. Perhaps she began to believe her own legend, thinking she truly was "all that."

We still don't know what happened on that fateful December morning when her world began to fall apart. But I don't believe she was dumb enough to jump out of a car and assault a female police officer with a string of naughty phrases and a left hook.

And although the lawyer in me believes that CBS 3 was wrong to cut her loose before any final determination of guilt or innocence, the pragmatist understands why it had to. Alycia, the glorious New York princess who seemed to be slumming in Philadelphia (why was she always up in the Big Apple anyway?), had compromised her image, which, in the end, was the most valuable thing she had.

That's what happens when the container trumps the content.

So what does all this have to do with Barack Obama?

Plenty. Before this election cycle, the junior senator from Illinois was a relative unknown on the national stage. He'd won his Senate seat because his Republican challenger was a pathetic replacement for the original candidate, who had to withdraw from the Senate race because of a sex scandal.

Absent that scandal, Obama might still be killing time in the state legislature.

Not that Obama is unqualified to serve in Congress. Far from it. He's a Harvard-trained constitutional scholar whose oratorical skills rival those of Cicero.


AND YET, who can honestly say that, when measured against Joe Biden's foreign-policy expertise, or Bill Richardson's resume or John McCain, the personification of courage and constructive compromise, or Rudy Giuliani, who revitalized America's premier city, Obama really deserves to be president at this point in his life?

Lots of people, that's who. They're willing to discount his comments about bombing Pakistan and having powwows with Iran. (Biden would never have made such gaffes.) They're delighted that he's biracial because it makes them feel tolerant.

They smile at his confessions of having smoked weed and done "some blow" because they probably have, too. They don't care that he is adamantly, without-limits pro-choice (in fact, that's probably a plus).

They don't seem to care about these things, about his inexperience. But despite his setback in New Hampshire, the Obama phenomenon seems to be still alive and definitely kicking.

He tells his supporters what they want to hear, the college students who are sick of politics as usual and the voters of color who have made him the repository of their dreams and the people who think he'll be a uniter after years of bitter division.

I wish I could feel their excitement. But all I see when I look at the adoring crowds are hero-worshippers. And that might be OK when the hero is an anchorbabe. But it's not OK when the rock star is aiming for the White House.

Barack Obama might want to consider naming his next book "The Audacity of Hype." *

Christine M. Flowers is a lawyer.


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/opinion/20080111_Christine_M__Flowers__THE_LIMITS_OF_STAR_POWER.html




(I love the line; "and that's what happens when the container trumps the content" LOL...)


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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 02:51 PM
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10. Great read. Thanks for posting it. Her line that the "container trumps the
content" nails it. Hero worship seems to be the only reason Obama supporters so willing to overlook lack of experience.
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