The Clintons have NOT disrespected Obama, they have disrespected themselves and Voters

and that is a big difference.

Do not think that Hillary Clinton as the kind of power to make someone as intelligent and honest as Barack Obama appeared to have been disrespected.

Understand instead that far as I'm concerned, Both of the Clinton's disrespected themselves and us, the American public.

We understand the kind of politics that Hillary is playing, which is why Obama has not disrespected himself by even addressing most of the issues that they have raised.

Did you see Bill Clinton looking almost like a drunken broken down man standing there attempting to diss Obama through some incoherent rant? He reminded me of the All American Football Hero in Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion. Remember the guy that was once the All American football Hero, but after 20 years was nothing but a druken blow hard who jumped on anything that would move.



Bottomline is that Clintons aren't making themselves look very good, never mind anything else!

I think that's a bit over the top?? I get what you're saying and the desperation in his rant, but alcoholic is a bit extreme, unless you know something I don't.

Guess I should have called a like a druken bum, hey?

As BG said below. I don't think we have any evidence to say the guy's an alcoholic, as opposed to George Bush who we know about.

but throughout the the country and most especially in the AA community, their behavior only magnifies the need to "turn the page" on the politics of the past.

In our community (AA ) Hillary is painting her self into a corner that she won't be able to get of. There is no way to slime Obama (and by extentsion the whole community) then think the 90%+ AA vote will be coming her way should she somehow bully her way to the nomination. Their plan is a recipe for disaster for the entire party.

Bank on it.

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he did sound like a blowhard at a bar, jabbing his finger and looking red-faced.

I would have phrased it that way and left "alcoholic" out though.

Yeah, it was the alcoholic part that I objected to because that's a serious matter.

and yep.

When you look at Clinton's big red nose, it doesn't really make it look like anything but some incoherent booze induced rant due to the fear of not returning to the White House.

That's why I'm not interested in him returning to the White House. Its time to let it go, Bill!

==If anyone needed any proof that the mean Clinton machine is alive and well in this campaign, all they had to do was watch Bill Clinton deliver his angry diatribe against Obama in New Hampshire last week just before the primary. His red-faced anger was clear and a little scary, too. It wasn't what he said but how he said it. His tone was contemptuous of his wife's main challenger, whom he described as a political neophyte who for some reason was being granted a honeymoon with the national media.==

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR2008011103281.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

Even though I know Clinton supporters around here deny it, the Clintons project a sense of entitlement even
to thinking they own much of the party apparatus. In the days prior to the NH primary, they
were seeing it slip away. He got angry and she got weepy. It worked for them in the short term
but it surely tarnished the Clinton brand.

My only amendment to your well-stated analysis.

posts I have read. You think Clinton is a broken down alcoholic..
Look, I don't think Obama is honest, just the opposite. I have thought that for months and that has nothing to do with the Clintons, I was originally hoping to support Gore.
But this pulling the race card is going to destroy party unity and Obama can go to hell for that. He has not discussed the issue because he knows damn well the Clinton are not attacking him on race and he would look like an idiot claiming they are. So he is letting other people play the race card for him.

The sad thing is that many of his voters who are predominately upper middle class can weather four more years of Rethuglicanism...The sad, sad part is that many working class and elderly voters who depend on the Democratic party will be left out in the cold...

It's distressing...

Mark Green went after Fernando Ferrer with racist literature in the last days of the primary, and it ripped the party apart. Green slid ahead on that note, and with 9/11... folks got so depressed that they didn't turn out to vote.

In walked Mike Bloomberg who otherwise had no chance of winning.

More people voted in the democratic primary than voted for Bloomberg... and certainly more than voted for Green.

The Clintons are playing a gambit that risks destroying so very much.

It was the GOPer manipulating race in NYC, not some dem default.
Sharpton told his voters to stay home, then had a City Hall breakfast with Bloomberg. So your example is out of place - at least for the point that was made.

and it sure as hell aint a game.

Did anyone else pick up on how another Clinton supporter, NY Attorney General, Andrew Cuomo, referred to Obama's candidacy? In reference to media coverage, he said:
"You can't shuck and jive at a news conference..."
If that's not a racially charged statement, I don't know what is. There is a real ignorance in this country when it comes to race and everyone likes to point fingers and claim that the community is "playing the race card" when it is just merely pointing out the painfully obvious truth. We all know that there are more white folks in this country who WILL NOT vote for Obama because he is black, than black folks who will only vote for him because he is. Why don't people view that as playing the race card as well? At least the latter action is based on pride rather than hatred.
Lastly, Obama does not have to point out that many (but by no means all) of the attacks on him are racially motivated because its so painfully obvious. The Clinton rhetoric in NH last week showed the true nature of their character when they felt threatened. Its the typical white liberal response: they'll march on Washington arm-in-arm but still don't want to live next door to you.

were even worse, as they didn't even use code words but overtly insinuated that Obama would be considered a drug-dealer, a terrorist sympathizer and the like. It's juvenile discourse.

The Clintons and there surrogates introduce race issues into the campaign and now you are blaming Obama for destroying the party.
The Clintons set the Democratic party back in the nineties in a way that it is just recovering. They are for themselves first, last, and always.
I know that you as a supporter will deny this. But many on all sides of American politics are well aware of this. That is why so many are
resisting her with such determination.

..."Mr Conservative" (about Barry Goldwater). Evidently, HAD JFK & Barry run against one other in '64, they pledged to each other (they were friends) that it would, under no circumstances, become an ugly, mud-slinging race. They would campaign WITH one other and would even travel ON THE SAME AIRPLANE!

I guess such amiability between opponents (even of the same party, in which amiability should BE the norm) in today's political climate is no longer practical...:(

just earned Hillary another donation from me.

we all are.

sorry for her if she weren't such a warmonger.

I'd like to get a glimpse of the "respect" that the Iraqis must be feeling right now from the war machine that Hillary helped unleash upon them?

on making any sense.

no worries, bill'll get there and rant and rave and tell a few more lies.

"Did you see Bill Clinton looking almost like a drunken broken down man standing there attempting to diss Obama through some incoherent rant? He reminded me of the All American Football Hero in Romy and Michelle's High School Reunion. The Guy that was once the Hero, but is now an Alcoholic bum."


Clinton nostalgia proved to be a more powerful force than Clinton fatigue. Eighty-three per cent of New Hampshire voters had a favorable opinion of the former President, and those who felt that way voted for Hillary Clinton over Obama, forty-three to thirty-three.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/01/21/080121fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=2

and Mike Bloomberg.

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What about what, we the people, had to go through?

You see, I don't give a shit about what Clinton had to endure.

This government, and these politics really should'nt be about the Clintons.

His wife even knows that he is. She has taken on his traits for her own self-aggrandizement.

If you analyze him psychologically, he has psychopathological traits where he can compartmentalize his modules of lies for quick release when needed to cover his story. Like all pathological liars, he is not to be fully trusted except for those foolish enough to fall for his "game".

The Monica Lewinsky story is but one of many episodes where Bill Clinton openly lied about something, even to his dearest friends and loved ones. He didn't care. From his reptilian view of survival, it was just a game for him to use on those that trusted him.

His wife has not only empowered him and acted as an accomplice to his charade, she has taken on various attributes of his sickness. Oddly, she has viewed these traits as part of a package for her thirst for power at all costs. She will lie with reptilian guiltless pleasure because she has seen how it works firsthand from her husband.

In the end, the liars are always displayed on the public square and then dispatched to their punishment or poisoned legacy.

"Clinton nostalgia proved to be a more powerful force than Clinton fatigue. Eighty-three per cent of New Hampshire voters had a favorable opinion of the former President, and those who felt that way voted for Hillary Clinton over Obama, forty-three to thirty-three."

DOMA, DADT, SOA, NAFTA, Plan Colombia, rendition (1994), Balkan war, bombing of Sudan, use of Al-Qaeda trained Chechen fighters in Kosovo.

Adios...

were told to go move elsewhere when 90% of the country has 'favorable' opinions of GWB. Nice!

the Democrats who are right.

How many times do the "centrists" have to be wrong before they realize it?

Every time you cite that statistic,another republican head explodes.

What shall we infer from that, my friend?

tear down a great Democratic President in the belief that they are building up their own candidate.

but I do know that Hillary is WRONG.

If you bite your lip with joy at the idea of loving NAFTA, DOMA, the Telecommunications Act, China free trade agreements and cheating on your wife in the White House, you are a sucker.

Clinton was one of the best Republicans the GOP ever empowered. His wife is no different.

"Clinton nostalgia proved to be a more powerful force than Clinton fatigue. EIGHTY THREE per cent of New Hampshire voters had a favorable opinion of the former President, and those who felt that way voted for Hillary Clinton over Obama, forty-three to thirty-three."

Publicans can't get enough of it.

The sad thing is I think it's some people's intention...

DU people are less informed than most. It has been proven that the Clinton's comments have been taken out of context. Bill Clinton did not call Obama's bid for the presidency a "fairy tale." The comment was made about Obama's record supporting the war in Iraq as defense/comparison/contrast/stone throwing/accusations of Hillary's votes in the Senate concerning the war as well. To say that Bill was calling Obama's bid for the presidency a "fairy tale" is a flat out lie and that he is disrespecting Obama is a major deception by the MSM and prominent African Americans. That Hillary disrespected the role that Martin Luther King Jr played in winning civil rights for African Americans and other minorities and somehow lectured Blacks on Martin Luther King is just untrue. Her remarks were made about the importance of the role of the President of the United States. It was President Johnson who signed into law the civil rights act. Dr. King was an activisit as was I but without the support and will of the President such a law would never have seen the light of day. GW Bush is an obstructionist and leader of the obstructionist Republicans in congress. He calls himself fiscally responsible but what he is actually doing is taking all our tax money and pouring it into his military complex and his wars. So to say that the Clinton's have disrespected Obama and themselves and the American voters makes Frenchiecat a cat that needs to read more on the DU to discover the truth.

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Pretending Hill got a "bounce" from her silly clowning in NH is ridiculous. Clue to camp Clinton: we're not fools. Stay tuned to the election reform forum for further details.

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