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fightindonkey Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:22 PM
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And Then Barack's Campaign Collapsed By Playing The Race Card. It's OVER
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 05:23 PM by fightindonkey
It's all over the place now, and the public is outraged. Barack has hired the worst team around him, and they have finally sealed the fate of his campaigned -- DOA. I told you, the moment the race card starts being played, it's over for him. It's finally done him in, and people are pissed BIG TIME. Even people who don't like the Clintons are all over this. I guess we can thank people like Arianna Huffington, for sealing the fate of his campaign. Barack's own public statements are now speaking of "black acceptance." It's no longer a colorblind campaign. It's a racial campaign. Nothing that the Clintons have said, has been racist. The amount of manipulation the Obama supporters and campaign have had to go to, in order to manipulate, and downright lie about what people have said, is extraordinary. When you start having to comb over and make up a hypothesis as to how this statement or that statement "could be racist", it's over. The public will not get over this, and their fears are confirmed. It would be an administration based on race, with all the old morons coming out of the woodwork, ie, Jesse Jackson, now his Jr.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html#postComment
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:22 PM
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1. When are you going to be over?
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:23 PM
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2. Ugh
No one cares!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:24 PM
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3. You learned how to "racist", great!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:24 PM
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4. You're a tiresome little flame-thrower.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:24 PM
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5. The Alert Button is your friend
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Muddy Waters Guitar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:25 PM
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6. What an idiot claim-- Obama has never played the race card, he's been silent on this
It was the Clintons' campaign that got this going with all the asinine racial-tinged attacks on Obama, then others like Bob Herbert at the NYT call bullshit on the Clintons, and now the Clintons try to turn this into a case of Obama playing the race card? WHAT UTTER TRANSPARENT BULLSHIT!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:31 PM
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24. Yup. The Clintonites did it first.
Saying Obama might have dealt drugs? What a stupid asinine baseless comment! And a longtime political operative like Bill Shaheen? How stupid do they think we are? The Clintons want to turn Obama into a "Black candidate". They are awful awful people.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:27 PM
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37. Out of his own mouth he said he did drugs.
Clinton didn't make it up. Don't you think the pure as driven snow that repuks aren't going to use it. Grow the hell up.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:45 PM
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30. Okay, THIS is delusion.
I mean, NATURALLY the Clintons would suddenly become racists just before SC. Who could think otherwise?

Unless you imagine who might, possibly, benefit from painting them that way.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:48 PM
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31. Let's try this One MOOORE TIIIME.."Black America will wake up"--Michelle Obama on MSNBC.
:wtf: TOO late...she put it out there..And a lot of people I've talk to black white purple orange red....said when Obama used Oparah to up his popularity.."It was all about race."
{br} then you have Big Fish JJJ in Obama's campaign out then Talkin smack about Katrina and Hillary's tears...trying to bait the emotions of black voter ...hence SC...It has been about RACE from the beginning....But most folks don't want to admit it.




"Black America will wake up"--Michelle Obama on MSNBC.
WASHINGTON—With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), his wife Michelle said “black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday.

MSNBC is using excerpts of a Michelle Obama interview to run in full on Tuesday morning. In a clip that’s featured in the afternoon cycle, Michelle Obama invoked the name of civil rights leaders Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. when talking about African-American turnout, a crucial voting bloc for the Illinois senator.

Michelle Obama said there was a "natural fear of possibility" and that there were times in her life when she was put down and not encouraged. There is "always that doubt in the minds of people of color."

She said the African-American community has to shake of its fear :scared:

“That’s what we want to show our community,” Michelle Obama said. "...We can do this too."

If elected, Obama, whose mother was white and father black, would be the first African-American president.

MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski landed the exclusive with Michelle Obama. Her father, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is one of Barack Obama’s national security advisors.:spray:


:nopity:If Michelle believes that every black American should automatically support her husband, perhaps it is she who needs to wake up. :spank:


After being initially intrigued by Obama and his charisma, he has shown me little in substance. When it comes to politicians, I get out my phony-o-meter, and this guy's getting high readings. Seemed to be a man of the people, but then he's involved in shady real estate deals. Who knows. But then I learn his wife is a director in the Chicago CFR, or whatever they call themselves these days. The CFR is one of the most anti-American groups that exist(Dick Cheney is also a member, as most of them are. Them being crooked politicians who stop at nothing to sell us out).

Then, the kicker, Zbigniew Brzezinski, is one of Barack Obama’s national security advisers! This guy is practically the archetict of our middle east mess. Read his book "The Grand Chessboard", he lays out the whole plan right there, AND he wrote it in 1998.:spank:

:hurts:So Obama, who is supposedly anti-war, is aligned with one of the most hawkish guys out there. How does this benefit blacks or whites or anyone who isn't an elite.




I am not against Obama! I AM for Hillary! But zero tolerance for the blatant double standard so ramp-id on this site. :smoke:
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:24 PM
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36. No it wasn't your dreaming.
Obama is always playing the race card.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 08:48 PM
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41. Impossible to ignore race and gender as factors, but so far it's mild
You can't have a campaign where a woman and an African-American are the front-runners and ignore race and gender. And it is natural for any candidate to use those and others as part of their positive message, and they often use symbols and loaded language in so doing. I don't have a problem with this; every candidate tries to use anything about themselves and their families when trying to connect with voters. My problem is that, when challenged by another candidate, one of the first defenses often used by candidates or surrogates is a dismissive claim that the opposition is racist, sexist, or whatever-ist.

Celebrating the first AA primary victory in 20 years or the first by a woman ever is OK, but even questioning how race or sex might have been used by candidates will likely get you ridden out of town dressed in the finest tar and feathers. It reaches the absurd with things like Lawrence O'Donnell's attack on Edwards and his supporters painting him as a racist Southern white man just because Edwards doesn't withdraw from the race!

Clinton supporters see men ganging up on her. Obama supporters see whites putting him down. And this is the good news because the worst is still to come. Just wait until it starts getting dirty.

Let me suggest some races you might want to study because there are big and important tests ahead.

North Carolina an unfortunate history in this regard. Here a couple of examples during my lifetime (although I don't remember the first one). Dr. Frank Porter Graham was defeated by Red Smith in the Dem primary for Senate in a particularly mean campaign with race a major component. Gov. Terry Sanford was Grahams campaign manager while Jesse Helms was Smith's. Graham had been president of the University, worked hard against the Jim Crow laws, and had led FDR's commission which produced Social Security. Follow that through with later contests involving Sanford, Helms, Jim Hunt, and Harvey Gant.

Finally, I hope that when this is all settled, that our nominee can dominate the general election, be they the "Black", the "woman", or the "Southern white male".
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:25 PM
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7. Arianna, and most rich white female reporters, hates Hillary Clinton
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 05:25 PM by antiimperialist
Arianna does not want Hillary Clinton to become the next president of the United States.
I predict that Maureen Dowd, Andrea Mitchell and Gail Collins from the NY Times will jump in the race bandwagon.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:55 PM
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34. Ms. Stassinopoulos (Arianna) started her internet life as an impeach Clinton web site and despite
turning populist has never dropped the hate Clinton pitch she originally sold. Maureen Dowd, Andrea Mitchell and Gail Collins will indeed all join her in selling that idea.

Obama seems to have done a Huck in setting up a "I did not release this memo that says Clinton in a racist" meme as he shows the memo to everyone.

I wish he was not pushing the race card this way, but since the memo is all about people that like the Clintons and what those people said -taken out of context- it would be impossible to attack Clinton directly with the race card - so this seems the best he can do.

I have said that given the history of Obama playing down and dirty in Illinois, I expected he can handle the GOP mud - and his playing the race card now increases my confidence that the bipartisan words are just a con and he is strong enough to be a Dem President.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:25 PM
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8. Not sure I believe any of the 'race war" either way.
Neither camp has done anything particularly wrong, and Obama's campaign has not "collapsed".
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:25 PM
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9. To some people it IS a game. That is why they use the "playing a card" metaphor.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:30 PM
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23. The Bonobo: that most intelligent of primates ...
:thumbsup:

--p!
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:26 PM
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10. I know this is Hillary's strategy and all, but saying it will happen won't make it come true
You can tell what the strategy is, from the self-fulfiling prophecies they think they can construct to reach their objectives.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:26 PM
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11. You'd think they would have released the memo to the press
If they wanted to publicize it instead of to one single person :shrug:
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:26 PM
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12. Your post is NOT the content of the article which you have implied by the way you posted
Another underhanded move....
People can read the actual article and take away their own impressions.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:27 PM
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13. Why are some people so eager to declare an end to the first real campaign...
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 05:31 PM by ClassWarrior
...the Dems have had in a half a century? Don't the cherished American values of debate and democracy count anymore? Or just sheer, selfish victory?

:shrug:

NGU.


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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:27 PM
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14. What in the world are you talking about?
I don't get anything like that re the article.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:27 PM
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15. OMG. Anyone who reads this post, please be aware that the post is fid's own hateful words, this is
NOT the article on HuffPo.

What an asshat. :eyes: MKJ
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:27 PM
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16. Oh, gawd.
Obama has become my least favorite candidate for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the generic "hope and change" sloganeering that capitalizes on his "rock star" image and utter lack of substance regarding his plans to implement any of these "changes."

But some of the Clinton supporters HAVE made blatant racist statements and I think this announcement of his campaign's demise is WAY premature.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:28 PM
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17. Your bullshit trollish behavior continues.
Stop, please.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:28 PM
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18. welcome to politics fightindonkey
you will find that life is quite different out in the real world than what you learned in 10th grade social studies last year.

stick around though. we'll enjoy your contributions i'm sure.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:28 PM
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19. Your title is wrong. Did you even read the article you are posting? nt
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:28 PM
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20. Barak! Hillary!
Keep your kids OFF MY LAWN! Damn it!

Geeze, these campaign staffers are out-of-control.

When *I* was a li'l Democrat, if any of us did something like that, Senator Kennedy/McGovern/Chisholm woulda spanked the stuffing out of us. AND sent us to bed without milk and cookies.

Campaign staffers these days are so damn spoiled!

--p!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:29 PM
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21. did you know that the phrase "playing the race card"
is a right wingnut meme?

Oh, and it's just a tad premature to claim that Obama's campaign is over, plus if African Americans get disgusted with all this, you could see substantial numbers not voting for HRC in the general if she's the nominee. And she can't win without them.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:46 PM
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39. That cannot be emphasized enough
Everyone knows what's up when people use the term "race card". Keep it up, folks - you're digging yourself a hole that cannot be crawled out of.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:30 PM
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22. LOL! This is as good as McCain/Bush in 2000.
McCain said he'd only engage in a positive campaign. So then the push polls and ads came suggesting McCain had fathered a black child, and McCain went ballistic. The Bush campaign *gasped!* and, in complete wonderment, said, "But I thought you said you'd only do positive campaigning.?.?!! Well, you're nothing but a liar." Anyone with a brain saw through this, but it was McCain's final moments.

Fast forward to 2008. The Clinton team starts making hideous, negative comparisons to Martin Luther King, which pisses off everyone. An Obama campaign memo surfaces recognizing this god awful, inexcusable tactic, and suddenly Obama is accused by the Clinton campaign of playing the race card.

We're getting painfully close to "I won't vote for her under any circumstances." You assholes need to back off NOW. We're not as stupid and gullible as the GOP, and there will be a price to be paid.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:37 PM
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26. Link to back up this statement please.
"The Clinton team starts making hideous, negative comparisons to Martin Luther King"


We need to be very, very careful here because this really is beginning to look like a Rovian tactic. We are fighting amongst ourselves over our candidates' strengths: The Clintons have been very strong supporters of the African American community and Barack will probably be okay about gay rights (sorry, I don't have any history of his to go on but that isn't my point).

Be careful people.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:35 PM
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25. Talk about whistling through the graveyard.
You are pathetic, fightindonkey.
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:38 PM
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27. What is this shit.
I see links all over the article but NOT for the memo. The afore mentioned memo was {given to an activist and contains mostly excerpts from different media reports.} Now that’s what I call a fairy tale.
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MollieBradford Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:42 PM
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28. Obama should disavow all of this
huffington is a Clinton/Gore hater from way back. Remember she supported Nader in 2000 after years as a right winger. They woman has her head up her ass and the people who contribute to her site are often as confused as she is. Many of them are just TV pundit wannabes and the giddily Clinton hating TEEVEE media has their heads turned.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:52 PM
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32. disavow what exactly?
i appreciate Clinton disavowing Shaheen and the racist email 3 or her volunteer cooridinators in Iowa sent out. Beyond Jesse Jackson, Jr's comments, what is it ou think Obama should disavow?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:43 PM
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29. Not even close to over.
The bright (as in intelligent) white ladies on my list are foursquare for Obama and it's all Hillary's fault.

I asked them about his house deal and they bit my head clean off. Committed supporters of any candidate are used to overlooking warts.

Besides, this race thing is just for SC. In states with different populations he'll be completely different.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:54 PM
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33. Between People Framing This Race In Racial And Racist Terms I'm Getting Sick
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 05:58 PM
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35. The RW was reveling over this .............
Edited on Sat Jan-12-08 05:59 PM by Historic NY
I kept following the story back and it seems to be much to do about nothing. I think most of it is contrived to cause problems, to split the Democratic Party black vs white. Now who would do something like that? Who would engineer or plant stories designed to do just that? Hummmmmm interesting. I'm always suspicious when the RW talks trash.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 06:43 PM
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38. K&R because that's my read too eom
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-12-08 07:03 PM
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40. oh, the irony
I'm beginning to think the clinton campaign is irony-impaired.
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