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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:51 AM
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Josh Marshall: Those endorsements...
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/063503.php

Those Endorsements ...
01.12.08 -- 10:42PM
By Josh Marshall

Endorsements don't usually count for much. But if they're big enough and come at critical moments they can count for a lot. And this string of endorsements Obama has picked up since his narrow defeat in New Hampshire four days ago is, I believe, a major story that has not gotten the attention it deserves.

Since losing the New Hampshire primary four days ago, Obama has been endorsed by Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD), Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE), Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) and Gov. Janet Napolitano (D-AZ). Additionally, he's also been endorsed by Rep. Miller (D-CA), Sen. Kerry (D-MA) and Ned Lamont. But they're in a slightly different category and it's the first four I want to discuss.

The first of these came from Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) who put out word he'd be endorsing Obama the day after New Hampshire. Johnson is a protege of former Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD). And Daschle has close ties to Obama -- a lot of operatives in the Daschle world went to Obama after 2004. So when I saw word of the endorsement I figured this was something Daschle or his former staffers had helped put together to help stabilize Obama's fortunes after the New Hampshire loss.

But now you have three others -- Nelson, Napolitano and McCaskill. Nelson and Johnson are from very red states while Napolitano and McCaskill are from swing states.

Now, there are a bunch of things you can draw from this spate of endorsements. One is that these folks don't seem worried about themselves running or having their supporters run with Obama at the top of the ticket. And these are people from either very conservative or somewhat conservative states. Despite the fact that Obama is running in some ways to the right of Clinton (at least tonally, as the candidate of unity and bipartisan reconcilation), there are still a lot of questions inevitably being asked about whether the country is 'ready' for Obama, whether that's his race, his name, his background in community organizing, his youth, etc. So these folks think America's ready; in fact, more ready than they are for Hillary.

But that isn't the biggest significance. The key is timing. You don't hit a big time politician like Hillary Clinton when she's down unless you're really against her and you're fairly confident she's not getting back up. After winning in New Hampshire, albeit narrowly and after the clobbering in Iowa, there's been a sense that Clinton may be back on track to consolidating her frontrunner status and perhaps following a modified version of the standard script in which the anointed frontrunner gets a scare in the early states before mopping up the competition as the race goes national. But these four clearly don't want that to happen. In fact, they're sticking their necks pretty far out to help make it not happen. And their endorsements, coming right now, tell me they have some confidence it won't.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:56 AM
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1. About this passage....
"You don't hit a big time politician like Hillary Clinton when she's down unless you're really against her and you're fairly confident she's not getting back up."

If they're wrong, hell hath no fury...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:01 AM
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3. I've seen enough of her fury to last a lifetime.
But she's found her voice, doncha know. Would that be the furious one?
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:04 PM
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15. Slight correction. Voice(S).
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mrdemocrat78 Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:39 AM
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25. I loved dreamgirls
but i don't want a replay on the campaign trail
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:01 AM
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4. Right,
and they surely know that. So is there anything about them in particular that allows them to do such a thing?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:38 PM
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6. I guess they feel they have good reason for confidence.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 09:38 PM by MH1
Seems to me that's exactly what Josh Marshall is highlighting, and why he left Kerry and Lamont out of it - Hillary don't mean nothin' to them. Well, I don't know about Lamont's ambitions, but Clinton already stuck the knife in Kerry's back, and I hardly think she can hurt him in MA, and she wasn't likely to offer him a cabinet position anyway.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:56 AM
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2. Red State dems don't want Hillary
I think that's fairly obvious.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:20 PM
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5. pm kick. nt
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KaryninMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:44 PM
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7. It is certainly interesting that these are all coming out so early and not an accident.
Frankly, I'd have preferred that they would have all waited a while for things to unfold. Because no matter what we will all be banding behind whomever we wind up with on the Blue Team (as will they). Picking sides right now is clearly deliberate. I sure so wish someone would endorse John Edwards. Ah well

Lots to ponder that's for sure. K&R
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:52 PM
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8. This is along the lines that
a lot of DU's Obama supporters have been analyzing the endorsements from these Senators.. so soon after NH. Very interesting stuff..I thought it was bill nelson who endorsed Obama not ben nelson..unreal from Nebraska!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:54 PM
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9. Red states and Purple states would prefer OBama at top of the ticket.....
imagine that!

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:55 PM
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10. Maybe it's not "confidence"...
Maybe it's political naivete or ignorance?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:58 PM
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12. And maybe they just prefer Obama..
which I can certainly understand.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:56 PM
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11. Not to mention Miller, which is damn close to a Pelosi endorsement.
And Clinton knows it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:59 PM
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13. Close geographically but
I'd be surprised if nancy endorsed anyone but hillary.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:00 PM
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14. He's her closest advisor.
He wouldn't endorse anyone without her say-so.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:10 PM
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16. Do tell...I did not know
this, obviously. Okay..I'm officially surprised! I thought George Miller was more progressive than our nancy. And thanks for enlightening me, Kristi!~
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:59 PM
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21. Well, here's a source...
...that confirms the Miller endorsement = Pelosi endorsement theory.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/10/567260.aspx

And another:
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080113/EDITORIAL/824596994/1013
When House Education and Workforce Committee Chairman George Miller this week threw his support behind Mr. Obama, the national press corps speculated that this was a tacit endorsement from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, since Mr. Miller serves as a right-hand man for his fellow Californian. However, when contacted by The Washington Times, Mrs. Pelosi' office reaffirmed the speaker's decision to stay out of this fight, at least for now. "She doesn't plan to endorse any of the candidates," said Brendan Daly, a spokesman for Mrs. Pelosi.


A lot of people speculate that Miller's endorsement tells people who Nancy is behind, without her having to *technically* endorse anybody. Sounds like pretty smart politics to me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:54 AM
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22. You rock, and thanks! nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:12 PM
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17. It was a brilliant potpourri of endorsements.
Obama is unfolding his campaign and doing an amazing job. If he can beat the Clinton Machine, he is unstoppable.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:48 PM
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18. has anyone considered that all these congressional/senate endorsements
are from 10 percenters? so what effect does it have? their credibility with the american public is at 10 percent. why would this sway the voters?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:56 PM
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19. Exactly- and recall all those endorsements in 2003-4
Made a lot of difference, eh?
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 11:06 PM
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20. not really IMO
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 12:56 AM
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23. They must be credible with conservatives to get a Dem vote in a
conservative state.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 01:36 AM
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24. It's not the "public" they're talking to...
it's the Party ground troops and local leaders who are getting the message. With all the talk of Republican dirty tricks, honest elections, and Diebold, don't forget that many, if not most, areas of the country are still run the old-fashioned way.

When your Governor endorses someone, the local party hacks gear up to make sure the Governor's wishes come true.





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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:58 AM
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26. Former Sen. Gary Hart endorsed Obama last week too
I think that is more impressive than the others. Hart is a leading voice on terrorism and should help Obama out on foreign policy.
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