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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:15 PM
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I repeat: If Edwards does not quit
Will the price of TV advertising go up? I posted this a couple of days ago and nobody responded. Maybe my point was not clear. How much do we believe the vast corporatist conspiracy theory?

If my understanding is correct, if Edwards stays in until the convention, there is a distinct possibility nobody will have a majority and the convention will go to a second, maybe third ballot, or more, and maybe all the primaries and caucuses will become moot as the convention turns into an actual selection process rather than a dog and pony show as has been the case for decades.

Edwards could end up being the candidate as the top two refuse to yield to each other, or someone else entirely could be nominated - Biden, Gore, Feingold, who knows?

This could just throw all the corporatist/MSM efforts to direct the theoretically free and democratic process through thought control into a cocked hat.

Since cash is Edward's biggest limitation in staying involved in a significant way, jacking the cost of advertising would be a way to drive the last nails into his campaign's coffin, so to speak.

So how all-powerful do we really think the conspiracy is?

I am less concerned at this point over whom we nominate than I am over whether it matters a whit. If they can and do select our candidate, and their candidate, and then the "winner" of the election, as I anticipate, our form of government is not doomed; it is already dead.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:18 PM
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1. an interesting question....
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:18 PM
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2. k & r
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:19 PM
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3. If Edwards does not quit..........
.......say hello to a Hillary Presidency.

Are we sure Edwards doesnt work for her?

(Just teasing Edwards supporters!)

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:19 PM
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4. I don't think they can do that
Ad air time must be charged equally to all candidates, though ad time gets more expensive when it's in prime time or closer to the election day. But two candidates buying the same air time slot for the same period of time (say 30 seconds each) on the same day must be charged the same rates.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:22 PM
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6. I am referring to jacking the price for all
the other two can pay more than he can
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:02 PM
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18. i think what you're suggesting is reprehensible and does nothing
to garner any further support for the other two candidates.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:59 PM
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22. geez, I'm not SUGGESTING it!
I'm speculating as to how reprehensible the oligarchic machine might be. I am not trying to garner support nor suppress it for the other two; I am saying that the oligarchy might want to. If we DO see the cost of advertising mysteriously inching up it won't be Hillary or Barack doing it.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:20 PM
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5. They Don't Need To Do That
they don't need to increase advertising to get Edwards.

All they have to do is when they do their polls exclude Edwards. Ask people, "Are you voting for Clinton or Obama." Keep telling people that Edwards stands no chance. Heck, some Edwards supporters on DU have already defected to Obama or Clinton because after two states (less than 1/2 of a 1% of the country) has had a primary, they are convinced the Edwards campaign is over. So, if the educated and aware people on this board can dismiss Edwards, why should we be surprised that the average voter who barely pays attention at all will not know Edwards is running?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:23 PM
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7. "the educated and aware people on this board"
:rofl:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:24 PM
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8. Isn't It Strange That Edwards Supporters Defected?? What Does THAT
say about people?? I don't want to denigrate them, but IF you're FOR someone... it seems you would stand by your convictions regardless. I don't happen to feel Edwards is "out" of it, and apparently he's willing to FIGHT ON!

Those who defected have their reasons I suppose, but IMHO it's a bit shallow.

I'm going ALL THE WAY with Edwards... in or out! He WILL have my vote regardless!
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Liz7 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:36 PM
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13. who's defected?
Edwards all the way here too.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:10 PM
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19. Gee, I'm Sorry I Don't Recall Specific Names... I Should Have Noted Them...
But there were posts where some said they decided to jump to Clinton or Obama now, since NH!!

Welcome to DU BTW! I'm SOLID AS A ROCK for this guy!!!
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Liz7 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:51 PM
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27. thanks
for the welcome. I've only seen a few posts by people who've defected. It's too early to give up.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:42 PM
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21. II'm here just don't want to get into the racial thing here.
Going to be with Edwards forever, and ever until the last dog comes home. And that is the way it is!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:20 PM
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26. started to respond and realized you wrote "defected"
not "defecated"

ne-ver mind
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:26 PM
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9. I can tell you if the DJIA is in the 8000 range the price will go way down
just to try and keep the media on the air.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:27 PM
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10. A very valid question. I believe we need to take advantage of all
alternative methods and we need to create an uproar about the totally wacky and unbalanced control of the nation by the Republican-Corporate networks and radio stations.

Alternatives - pitiful in many ways when compared to the reach of Republican-Corporate networks. But, it's all we have and a reason we're in the shape we're in.

Internet, blogs, radio, Free Speech and Link TV, and a constant flow of letters.

AND AND AND we need to demand Democrats to allow more of a voice to NON-DLC speakers. Yeah right.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:28 PM
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11. Looks to me like it is up to the "super-delegates" currently giving Clinton 58% of delegates.
May not be as close as you expect. The Democratic machine may decide and not the grass roots voters.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:33 PM
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20. Superdelegates in undemocratic
It just proves that the fix is in. I will not participate in a fixed election.

I've said it once, I'll say it again. It's Edwards or Kucinich. Anything else is capitulation to fascism.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:36 PM
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12. Viewership is down. NBC is rebating money to advertisers because they can't bring in the eyeballs
It seems that raising the advertising rates would hurt all of the media's advertisers - and discourage people from buying ads. This something I would think they would not want to do given
the media is losing viewers.

Also the presidential campaigns typically are profitable for media so why kill the goose that is laying the golden eggs, especially when media is already experiencing financial difficulties.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:02 PM
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23. my point exactly
Preserving the status quo of the militaryindustrial complex is a whole lot more important to GE than NBC's cashflow for a quarter. I'm wondering how much of a stranglehold on everything the oligarchy REALLY has.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:39 PM
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14. I think part of the lack of discussion about Edwards results from his
poor showing in NH. When he does better in SC--the media will be back.

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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:40 PM
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15. We won't have a brokered convention
The Dems haven't had one of those in over forty years. The closest we've ever got since WWII was 1960, and even that wasn't very close at the end of the day.

The primaries are purposefully designed nowadays to eliminate the mere possiblity of a brokered convention. And, given the schedule this year, we will more than likely have a nominee after Feb 5.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:43 PM
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16. i'm actually hoping he stays in -- and maybe we will have
a brokered convention -- it might be a very good idea at this time in our history.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:49 PM
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17. FCC regulations prohibit charging one candidate more than another
In part:

A candidate shall be charged no more per unit than the station charges its most favored commercial advertisers for the same classes and amounts of time for the same periods. Any station practices offered to commercial advertisers that enhance the value of advertising spots must be disclosed and made available to candidates on equal terms. Such practices include but are not limited to any discount privileges that affect the value of advertising, such as bonus spots, time-sensitive make goods, preemption priorities, or any other factors that enhance the value of the announcement.


Link

These is the rule for radio, but similar rules apply to television.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:04 PM
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24. addressed previously
I referred to rates going up for all, which would hurt him more than the more cash-rich candidates. It would, of course, hurt the pugs, too, so the strategery the puppetmasters choose is going to be complex.
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ileus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:19 PM
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25. He may have to pull some of his millions out eh?
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