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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:45 PM
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Poll question: What's your take on John Edwards effect on the campaign?
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 01:46 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
(Yes, John Edwards DOES exist.)

The great mystery of the campaign right now is who Edwards helps or hurts.

Edwards himself is tonally more aligned with Obama. But the people who have actually voted for Edwards so far are natural Clinton supporters, tending, on average, to be working class and/or lower-middle class moderates.

Some think Edwards splits the anti-Clinton vote with Obama. Others think Edwards splits the traditional lunch-bucket Democratic coalition with Hillary.

What's your take?
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:48 PM
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1. I chose your last option
but my guess is that his delegates would be fairly evenly split. So much can happen between now and the convention, it's really hard to say.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:52 PM
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2. Maybe Obama is hurting Edwards' campaign?
He was the VP candidate in 2004. He's been running for President since before Obama was a Senator.

Maybe?
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:57 PM
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4. If Edwards is hurting Obama then Obama must be hurting Edwards
No way around it.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:01 PM
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5. Obama and Clinton are hurting Edwards. Maybe if they both dropped
out he'd have a chance at the nomination.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 01:56 PM
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3. Didn't want to taint the OP with my personal opinion...
but in my experience people vote their demographics more than they vote policy. Edwards' real-world support looks nothing like his progressive support on the internet. His voters are the most conservative, not the most liberal.

So it's almost beyond argument that his presence in the race is helping Senator Obama.

To presume that Edwards and Obama are splitting the anti-Hillary vote suggests that the anti-Hillary vote is 60% of the party. I know that on DU it seems like 90% of the party, but there is no evidence in the real-world of that kind of antipathy toward Hillary within the party. The actual anti-Hillary vote in the Democratic primaries is probably about 20%. (Bear in mind that much of Obama's support is said to be positive... to be FOR something. So it's weird to assume his support is built on being against some individual. In the real world, Hillary is popular among Obama supporters, and visa-versa.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:16 PM
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7. Add in 95%+ of the independent and (R) side
and say hello to President McCain
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Liz7 Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:32 PM
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8. Very interesting
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 02:35 PM by Liz7
if that is true (that Edwards voters are the most conservative). I don't think there's much question that he's more liberal than Clinton or Obama. The Edwards voters I know are the most liberal and progressive. But maybe it's the down-home Southern persona that the conservative voters respond to. However, that's only good news for Edwards supporters, because it shows he has crossover appeal.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 06:40 PM
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9. He is a southern white male, and people make assumptions
Look at how many Americans think Hillary is a communist, though around DU she's considered right wing.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 02:15 PM
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6. He is framing the debates
on BOTH sides of the aisle. Getting them to talk about progressive issues first and foremost.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:28 PM
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10. I won't Vote for ANYONE but JOHN EDWARDS!
I really don't care about the media chosen candidates they are trying so hard to foist on me.
I've been at this too long and faced too many agonizing defeats to care whether Queen Hillary or Flavor of the Month Obama go down in flames.
I'll choose a Third party alternative first.
And yes, that may mean we get another Republican in the Whitehouse, but if that happens don't blame me, I'm supporting the man even Ralph Nader calls the Democratic party's best hope!

"People should not be afraid of their Governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 07:29 PM
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11. "Yes, that may mean we get another Republican in the Whitehouse." I see what your priorities are.
Edited on Sun Jan-13-08 07:30 PM by Occam Bandage
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:51 PM
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12. Yep!
That's right Baby, it's my way or the highway!
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 09:30 PM
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13. It'll most likely help Obama that Edwards stays in the race and here's why:
Obama is holding his own and may surpass Clinton regardless. With Edwards remaining in the race, it ensures those supporters remain loyal behind a candidate other than Hillary. Edwards won't advise his delegates to support Hillary in the end, that's a foregone conclusion. Where will they go? To Obama. In a nutshell, it's a means of ensuring Obama gets 'all' the Edwards supporters rather than just 'the larger half.'
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