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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:51 PM
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Hillary's race problem is generational - She just doesn't get it.
When I see things like this <http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/clinton-recieve.html> and the various racial missteps of Hillary's campaign one is confronted with the inescapable conclusion that her problem is generational.

When she was growing up in s segregated suburb of Chicago she just did not have the opportunities to interact with persons of color as equals. In her heart of hearts she does not think she is a racist and one must accept that explanation that she gives. But because of the times she grew up she just can't help see persons of color as "the other" and thus cannot accept that one must compete with and occasionally be beaten in competition by a person of color. Thus, she does not "get it."

Some day we will have leadership that does not have this fault. Exactly when we decide this is up to us.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:53 PM
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1. Since most schools are still de facto segregated it could be awhile.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:55 PM
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2. Well, isn't that the snottiest...
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 04:56 PM by aquart
How nice of you to dismiss the generation that fought to register black voters, to desegregate fountains and lunch counters.

You had your civil rights handed to you on a plate. We know what the plate cost.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:58 PM
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3. yeah...because Chicago isn't essentially segregated right now. nt.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 04:59 PM
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4. She is my generation
You've got it all wrong. I had plenty of opportunities for interacting as equals with other races and took them.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:03 PM
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5. You took the opportunities? You had a choice?
Please look deeper.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:41 PM
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12. I don't know what you mean, Anouka nt
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:07 PM
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6. Sorry, but you have no way of knowing about how she grew up....
...therefore your opening post is flawed.

I didn't grow up with any blacks as a kid. My first interaction with blacks was in basic training in the Air Force, and then with many black comrades during an Air Force career - some of whom became dear friends whom I miss to this day.

My "segregated" youth had no effect on my later years.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:08 PM
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7. I don't know what generation you consider yourself to belong to,
but as a woman of Hillary's age, I take exception to your comment. Not everyone in our age group was raised in a racist household and many in that generation were instrumental in fighting for civil rights. Just which generation do you think started "getting it"?
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:10 PM
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8. Oh ye obama folks are such sheeple and fall for this without
even thinking for yourselves.
Dr King’s dream began to be realized when President Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It took a president to get it done.”
Alright, this is a maybe too hard to ask but obama folks see if you can wrap around this way of explanation. Read the first sentence and tell me if there is any belittling of Dr King? I see from that first sentence that Dr King's dream of civil rights for all were realized when president lbj saw this was a true and righteous cause and sheparded the legislation through congress. Now look at the second sentence. See anything disrectful of Dr King? No because it reflects back on the first sentence that Dr Kings dream began to be realized when the president passed the civil rights act.....
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:15 PM
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9. BenDavid: they hear but they will not listen. They hear their own little voices of racism.....
...they like their voices more.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:19 PM
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11. How have you been impacted by anti-semitism?
Or have you been?

I ask because, again, this stuff is hard to believe coming from someone proudly wearing the Star of David. I would have expected some empathy, if not sympathy.

Instead, .... I don't know what to say.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:56 PM
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14. African-Americas see it as disrespectful because
it seems to mean that while King and Obama, two African-Americans, talk and dream, only LBJ and Hillary, two white people, could get job done. She made the analogy because she is arguing that Barack can't do the job - by analogy that means Dr. King couldn't do the job for which he gave up his life taking a bullet on a Memphis motel balcony on April 4, 1968. Now do you get it?
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:19 PM
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10. She gets it just fine. She just didnt care... (i.e. systematic race baiting)
It's important to objectively look at the entire range of smearing going on during that week, to understand exactly how intentional this was.

The objective was to BAIT the public into racial dissent, which would effectively point Obama into the "victim" camp. Once put into the "victim" camp, a black candidate is toast because EVERYTHING they do to react is "playing the race card."

It's disgusting and that's precisely what the Clintons did... and they knew it.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 05:42 PM
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13. What do you mean, she just doesn't get it? She lived through it.
What are people using these days for brains? No wonder the Republicans beat us at will.
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