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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:08 PM
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NYT's Matt Bai: There are perils in coming between the Clintons and an elective office
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:22 PM by flpoljunkie
Emphasis mine.
The Clintons and History

By Matt Bai
Primary Argument - Matt Bai - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog

WASHINGTON — There’s an old joke people here in the capital like to tell about Charles E. Schumer, the New York senator, and over the years I’m sure it’s been used to describe other politicians, as well: The most dangerous place to stand in Washington is between Chuck Schumer and a bank of television cameras. Well, that may be, but it seems to me that the most dangerous place to be in the rest of the country is between the Clintons and an elected office.

Just this weekend, after all the recent attacks against Barack Obama involving his kindergarten essay and cocaine, the “fairy tale” of his antiwar stance, we found out that the Nevada teacher’s union with ties to the Clintons is suing to keep workers on the Vegas Strip from being able to caucus in their workplaces, since most of those workers belong to unions that have endorsed Mr. Obama.

Meanwhile, Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, made yet another elliptical reference to Mr. Obama having used cocaine. Mr. Johnson tried to walk it back yesterday by saying that he was only referring to Mr. Obama’s days as a community organizer when he said Mr. Obama “was doing something in the neighborhood — and I won’t say what he was doing, but he said it in the book… .” Sure, because community organizing is not the kind of thing you’d want to speak of in public, with children around. Better to let people find out on their own.

What’s most confounding about this latest turn into ugliness, though, is the Clintons’ remarkable capacity to cast themselves as the victims in every fight. And so here is Hillary Rodham Clinton accusing Barack Obama of somehow injecting race into the campaign, because she found herself in a world of trouble for her own comments about Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson. Now, I really do think she was intending only to make a sensible point about the value of experience in the White House, but look, the Clintons embody the generation that invented identity politics and political correctness. If Mrs. Clinton couldn’t guess at how that comment was going to land in the black community, then she must have been suffering amnesia.

I wrote last week about how Mr. Obama was facing a perilous moment in his campaign. It seems to me that the same is true of the Clintons, and they may need to step back and briefly reflect. Both Clintons now find themselves in an unfamiliar reality, the kind of all-out war for the nomination that Bill Clinton twice managed to avoid. They will get all kinds of advice from people whose career opportunities are at stake and who will do or say anything to win. They are surrounded by overzealous politicians and interest groups willing do whatever it takes to shut down Barack Obama and deliver their states to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/14/the-clintons-and-history/index.html?hp
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:08 PM
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1. oo scarey
:rofl:
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:10 PM
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2. The way they've treated Barack will come back to bite them
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:11 PM
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3. I think that is a bit scary actually...
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:11 PM
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4. good point. there this thing about playing victim too many times ...it can backfire
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:23 PM
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5. I wish there were something Obama could do to tamp down
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:26 PM by Tarheel_Dem
the rhetoric, and strike a conciliatory tone between his camp & the Clintons. The Clintons are far too experienced at this game, and Obama can't play in the same cesspool as they can. The Clintons are very adept at Scorched Earth politics.

This can't be good for the party in the long run. If we can't come up with something to ratchet down the animous, we're doing the GOP's work for them. Perhaps he too could score an entire hour sit down with Russert to counter some of the misinformation that's floating around.

Let's face it, white people (not even Democrats) will stick with Obama if this is perceived as a "race" issue. The Clintons will win this one, unless he's willing to reign in his surrogates, and somehow get back to the issues that the American people say they're concerned about.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:32 PM
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7. There's this...Obama takes
Edited on Mon Jan-14-08 06:32 PM by zidzi
the high road even hillary is down deep in the gutter. He's trying to lift her up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4065822
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:39 PM
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9. thanks for that zidzi....
I am so proud of him. I still wish my guy could pull off a win in SC or Nevada, or both. But, I'd be more than proud to support Obama. He recognizes that the Clintons set off a shitstorm, and he now has to do the clean-up.

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 07:01 PM
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12. Zactly! And I like John Edwards
..he's a candidate with Class! :hi: TarHeelDem!

Obama or Edwards need to take on The Planet..they can certainly clean up the clintons.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:29 PM
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6. The victims...hillary has been a victim
since day one on DU and it's not getting any less sad for her..and now I see Matt Bai notices it, nationally, in the NYT blog. hillary can get so emotional about her self but a steel rod when it comes to our Soldiers or our Katrina victims.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:33 PM
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8. i think the Clinton's came to the realization
that the only way to keep him from getting the nomination is to completely destroy and burn to the ground any political future he may have in elected office.

I get the sense that in some backroom somewhere, Clinton advisers huddled together and said "by the time we get done with him, he won't be elected dog-catcher."

And I don't think we've even seen the worst attacks yet.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:42 PM
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10. " The most dangerous place to be in the rest of the country is between
the Clintons and an elected office."

Ain't that the truth? I have never heard so much sniveling as that coming out of the Clinton campaign.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 06:53 PM
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11. This quote is very poignant:
No one expects Mrs. Clinton to stand down and let Mr. Obama make his case unchallenged. She could, however, send a clear message to the cogs in the machinery she’s built that there is a line she will not cross. She could tell her Nevada allies that the job of the Democratic Party she grew up in is to make it easier for people to caucus, not harder. She could tell Robert Johnson that he needs to apologize, the same way she forced Bill Shaheen, her New Hampshire co-chairman, to resign last month. She can make it plain to all those people trying to get jobs in the next Clinton Administration that there is way to win—a rough and combative way, even—that nonetheless won’t destroy all the good that the Clintons, at least for a lot of Democrats, have come to represent.


From his blog to Hillary's ears.

I've been saying around here for a while that her "advisors" seem to be doing her a great disservice. Hopefully she remembers who she is and what she wants her campaign to be about.


Thanks a lot for posting this article!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-14-08 08:17 PM
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13. kick!
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