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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:23 PM Original message |
Bill Clinton Defends Voter Suppression (say it ain't so, Bill, say it ain't so) |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. Poor Bill... he's mentally stuck in the 90s. |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Another caucus screw-up, another reason for a federal national primary.... |
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Buck Stopin Harry (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. I sure would like to see one day when the whole country votes . |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
3. And in Iowa the shift workers couldn't caucus |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #3 |
50. why shouldn't every voter who wants to participate, get to? WTF Bill? Why not |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. We should have all open precincts |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
58. Lots of people couldn't caucus. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. once again you insinuate that this is only for the Culinary Union workers |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
98. The Party sets the caucus rules |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
4. Like he gives a fuck about anything |
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Tulkas (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Fits a pattern |
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JanusAscending (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. WELCOME to DU !! |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I'm disgusted that we finally |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Wecome to DU! nt |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 PM Original message |
Welcome, I guess. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. Welcome to the DU, Tulkas |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Welcome to DU |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. Does fit a pattern and this should be an issue to raise. I thought the Democratic |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
7. These caucus locations have been set up for months |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Exactly. nm |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Not "exactly" at all. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Quit pretending that these sites are only for the CU. It is gross disinformation on your part. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. I supplied no disinformation. I merely stated some facts. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. But do you respect the fact that the voted on this and overwhelmingly approved it? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I don't have that information. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I am actually quite calm, and apologize if I am coming off as aggressive as that is not my intent |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. I agree that the timeline is suspect. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I hear ya |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. you said the CU had a special set of rules |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. We disagree, Jack. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:40 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. you didn't answer my question. why not add more sites, rather than closing open ones? |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. Okay, can we back off and think for a moment? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. These sites are for Workers on the Strip, not just Culinary Union members |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Yes, and this is hardly "voter suppression" ... eom |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Who said it was "voter suppression?" |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. JackORoses ... eom |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Did you know that the Teachers of Nevada have actually requested ther Union to cease and desist? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Ummmm |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Oh, so we're going to play silly games now? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. ok |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
36. why would teachers need to caucus at work? They have Saturday off. And some schools very well may be |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. There you go with pesky facts and everything. |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Okay, so leave teachers out of the equation. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Quoting MSNBC |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I don't find the question interesting or relevent |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. The caucus is on a Saturday. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. If the lawsuit succeeds, will the net result be less Caucusing Nevadans? |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. It wasn't seen that way until a few days ago, when the union made their endorsement |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. Shhhhh |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Wrong, it's a rule to enfranchise minority voters. MANY of whom work on the strip. These workers are |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. I know, I've been to Las Vegas. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. And yet Hillary was on TV yesterday claiming that she had no bone this fight. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Why can't both be true? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Bill wouldn't be defending it if Hillary had no role in this |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. You didn't explain the contradiction |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. ok |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. I'm not a mind-reader |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. Curiousity |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. and is there anything that will make you support her? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. I'm serious |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. all this is entirely defensible |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. Well I guess there's nothing then |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. and there's nothing wrong |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. "Let the Courts Decide!" isn't that the Bush Doctrine? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. How else do you propose to resolve disputes? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Because the courts aren't political |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Where's your evidence? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. The question is whether it's a Party matter |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. and parties |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Yes but it's more limited |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. ahh, so now you are defending the suit as well |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I said nobody's convinced me |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
97. Some legal analysis of the "merits" of the NV DISENFRANCHISEMENT lawsuit |
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Munch (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
84. n/s |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. And where's the evidence? |
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Munch (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #87 |
101. Mutual self interest |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. This is why Hillary has 50% of the public that dislike her already. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
96. Imagine the Clintons back in the White House; triangulating, parsing, betraying |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
18. He's just an older, richer, and yes, meaner version |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
80. One thing about Bill Clinton hasn't changed, he is still on the prowl. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
20. Beware of ANYONE trying to suppress the vote. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
60. Including by giving unfair advantages to one kind of worker over another. eom |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. what kind of worker is that? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. He means the Clintons are pissed at the Culinary Union endorsement and are trying to undermine it. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. teachers and custodians eom |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
27. Bill Clinton has reduced himself to being just another political hack |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. Obama & Clinton have called a truce, have you? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Why don't you call Bill Clinton and tell him to get on with the program! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
67. Suit yourself |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Unless this catfight ends up having a ripple effect in November |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Obviously not. |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. Is he actually helping her at this point? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I don't think he is. |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
56. No. No, he isn't. |
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Proud2BAmurkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. Like it or not he's arguing for fairness and the current plan wasn't fair. eom |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. I'll bet it would be considered 'fair' if the CU had endorsed Hillary n/t |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. why not create more sites, rather than closing sites that are already open? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. The plan for the culinary workers was passed unanimously on 3/31/07. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. and then plan was changed |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
104. yes, you are right. Fainess is the issue now |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
79. If people still don't think Bill Clinton is a closet Repug, here's more proof |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-14-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
88. self-edit |
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Chasing Dreams (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
102. Did he say that before or after visiting the Bunny Ranch? n/t |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
103. "I think the rules oughta be the same for everybody," he said. Sounds GOOD TO ME |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-15-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Can you answer the question that no Hillarite has yet? |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
106. kick nt |
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