Wow. Here's where I stand with Clinton and all her supporters

Sally Bedell Smith has written a truly vile "biography" about Clinton that's due to be released shortly. Exerpts have been published, and I just read one. I believe this is all timed to damage Clinton, and it is the worst kind of dirty pool. I won't link to what I read, but it is incendiary bullshit.

I don't know who's behind this, but I don't see it as accidental or unrelated to powerful movers and shakers.

I couldn't read the entire thing because I was so pissed. And I suspect it'll get a lot of press. It's wrong in every conceivable way.

I listened to it last summer whilst driving to where else? New Hampshire!

People will see it as a hit piece and think that the Obama campaign is somehow behind it. Killing two birds with one stone in this case will only kill the stone thrower.

lead to sympathy votes. People are so easily herded sometimes.

I didn't check to see who's publishing the book, but I will.

arising from centrist Republicans or from the left wing of our party.

The neocons have been signing her praises. Rush Limbaugh and the rest of those scumbags have
been strangely quiet on Hillary gossip. This is very bizarre, considering that they made their
entire fortunes on destroying her in the 1990's. They've got enough dirt on her in their vaults
to sink a ship. I think they're keeping silent, in order to not damage her in the primary process.

Then, if she's nominated, the dump trucks will begin unloading.

The Bloomberg crowed is against a Hillary nomination. It sounds like Bloomberg's run for the Presidency
hinges on if Hillary is our nominee. That crowd seems totally against the neocons and the propagation
of war, the corruption and the eroding of our democracy.

19 percent of Democrats have indicated that they would vote against Hillary.

This could be coming from the left wing or the center of the Republican party.

I don't want to see any Dems slimed.

...over and over and over and over again. Not to spread the dirt, mind you, just to "report" on the story. We've been down this road too many times.

Remember, it's only just beginning.

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I think that people are at this point pretty much numb to anymore Clinton "scandals" and should pretty much dismiss this and anything else as just so much expected noise and more of the same. For 16 years now the RW has beaten that dead horse and I don't think people really care, if they ever did. If they ever did, they quit caring after the 60 Minutes interview about Jennifer Flowers. Remember that as the House approved each article of impeachment against Bill, his approval ratings went higher and higher. I believe his approval peaked in the low 70's at the height of the impeachment fiasco.

The book may be some vile shit, but overall I don't think people really care and it won't make anyone change their mind that is already leaning Hillary.

...because Americans were really fatigued with the Clinton scandals.

I started paying attention to Limbaugh, when most people wrote him off as
a rabid, right-wing nut job.

The fact remains--that he was instrumental in ushering in the '96 Republican
sweep in Congress. Talk radio was peaking and many started paying attention
to Rush--because he made politics entertaining and easily digestible. A bunch
of impressionable, mindless dolts (and there are many) were persuaded by Limbaugh.

Gingrich thanked Limbaugh on the House floor and they made Rush an honorary member
of Congress that year. It's disgusting.

Also, Bush campaigned on the "I'll restore integrity" meme and it resonated with
Americans, because they were exhausted by the Clinton scandals. There was a
general sense of disgust about that endless parade of sex scandals and otherwise.

All of this has been put away in a closet for now. But what happens when it's all
resurrected again? Are people numb to it by now? Or...will the re-emergence of
the sex scandals, financial scandals, etc---trigger unpleasant memories and a window
into which the Republicans can destroy the Clintons once again?

I think those are good questions to ask. I don't have the answers, but I certainly
paid attention to all of this in the 1990's---with one foot on the right-wing side
of the aisle. I listened to Rush and right-wing radio daily, and wrote columns
urging Dems to take this phenomena seriously and fight back against it.

Dems didn't though...at their peril.

Rush and Hannity both were salivating all over theirselves about how great and wonderful Obama is and how mean and horrible a person Hillary is for picking on him. For the reasons you mention, and especially because many people like myself do not have Air America in their market and have to listen to these two, I believe, and still do, that the RW has picked Obama as the one they think they can beat. Therefore, virtually all the RW pundits picked up on the great and wonderful Obama and mean and horrible Hillary meme. That is, until in the last couple of weeks they decided to start taking off some of the luster they have buffed into Obama lest they inadvertently make him the next president.

BTW, it was 1994 that the GOP took over Congress.

I don't agree with destroying someone personally.

Hillary's policies, votes and record are out there for everyone to debate and examine.

The discourse should stick to the political--on all sides.

It's a rough read. I've read it and it seems more designed to destroy Bill (like that hasn't been done to death) than Hillary.
Short review on her Hillary take:
Sally Bedell Smith argues that Hillary is a control freak and not nearly as bright and competent as people think. Hillary was given one opportunity to do something in the White House and screwed it up: health care. After that Hillary operated as the confidant to the President, but nobody trusted her instincts after health care. She is portrayed as a control freak throughout, and thoroughly self-absorbed. Following the health care debacle Bedell-Smith says Hillary reinvented herself in more traditional "first lady" role and traveled to talk about women's rights in order to feel good about herself and construct an aura of "progressive" around herself that simply isn't the case. Bedell-Smith likes to counter notions that Hillary is a "leftist" with her bible studies, friendliness with corporate America, lack of concern with gay rights and Hillary's general distaste with real liberals during the Clinton Administration.

While it's not a flattering portrait of Hillary, it's not as bad as some right wing hit pieces I have read. Bedell-Smith suggest Hillary is a fraud and an impostor, but not a murdering communist agent as some on the right suggest.

I'm not sure why Bedell-Smith went some ways she did in this piece. Some of her arguments are: Hillary is not really a progressive Democrat. She only concerned with her personal power, not ideology. If she has any ideology, it's pretty centrist Democrat. I found this odd because most right wing hit pieces suggest Hillary is a dope-smoking Trotskyite from 1968. (I'd like her more if she was!)

Also, as in any Clinton book, there is plenty of talk of Monica. They just can't help themselves.
It's designed to pretty much destroy any sense of Bill Clinton being a decent human being. He is painted as a selfish, childish and cruel bastard. But we've heard it so many times before. And Bedell-Smith simply can't resist the numerous blowjob accounts, Clinton's numerous phone sex stories and detailed descriptions of how he jerked off into the sink.
I'd skip those sections if I were you. Christ knows I did!

If you are debating buying this book let me simply suggest the following: Don't.
You already know the basic story: Evil Bill Clinton is a man-child pervert who squandered his presidency for blowjobs, and his evil wife Hillary is a self-serving witch. If you have accidentally heard Rush Limbaugh, you know how the books ends so why feed the machine with your dollars?
I say all this as an Obama supporter. I normally don't defend Hillary Clinton, but in this case I just gotta say "enough already". I don't want you to read this book in order to hate Hillary more. I want you to find a candidate you like, not someone to hate.
Peace.

I'm sure it will give the naysayers on this forum all the extra fodder they need to bash the bejesus out of Hillary.

BTW, the Right Wing always times books like this to come out when they can do the most damage. Anyone who doesn't think that there are books in the making that denounce Barack Obama, in case he becomes our nominee, are naive and living in a dream world.

The instant Barack wins the nod, if he does, the Right Wing authors will be giving him their full attention, just as they do for whomever our candidate is, whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.

Culinary Workers Union prepares for Caucus (LOL!) :rofl: :popcorn: :patriot:

particularly is describing Hillary's temperament.

next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

does not agree or support Hillary. All anyone has to do is read your post and mine. Not hard to see the points made.

You have said nothing other than attack as you usually do, nothing to support any of your accusations.

Thanks again, talking about making it easy, you always do, you only attack people never make anything to support your positions on anything.

In fact, if you had bothered to read my post, you might know what I said.

just like your initial allegations about me and everyone else where you always initiate baseless attacks you can't back up.

What's the matter, you don't like it when someone defends themself from your usual lies and bullshit posts, Ev-Ares? Toooooooo bad for you, isn't it. Get used to it. Now run along....

""Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your

next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.""

((show me the lies above and any of the other lies you said I made. Then, reread what you have posted)). Thanks again.

hmmmmm

prove your point can you.

Talk about making stuff up, most will know that is bs coming from you which is not unusual is it.

Why did you basically call Obama supporters right-wingers?

Running thread to thread is something you must do.

Accusations that you refuse to prove.

This is the Democratic Underground, btw.

I post. You can't even prove your first accusation now you have gone on to something else. Accuse all Obama supporters here at DU of being RW along with me.

Thanks again for proving my point.

In your case, the truth doesn't just hurt, it reveals

Again here is the post, show me the lies:

""Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your

next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.""

I have nothing to prove to you, of all people. lmao

and you can't show the lies if there are none can you.

Funny about that.

Not everyone on this forum is going to let you always get away with your monotonous posting of lies, innuendo, and bullshit about other posters.

Look at the posts again and you can see the bullshit, you are the only one who has put it out.

Now show me this other accusation of bullshit I havej put out on other posters.

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""Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.""

Again, show the lie there above. It really got to you didn't it calling you on insinuating Obama supporters are right-wingers.

No substance in what you say as usual.

Really not all people here on DU who do not support Clinton are right-wingers.

Thanks, though, for continously proving my point, even though you are a one hundred percent waste of time, other than for sake of amusement.

Don't you want to do the thing about Obama supporters and right-wingers again before we go?

Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

you can't prove it because it is not a lie.

Also, if it was a lie and you could prove it, you would have in a minute. What you don't like is the fact it was the truth which is what upset you.

All you have to do is read.

Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

other than you didn't like the truth and not once were you ever able to show anything that was not accurate.

Here is the post again:
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.
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They don't come much thicker.

Actually that is what you have proven.

A simple task and question and you cannot do it.

Maybe your foot is stuck so far in your mouth that it's blinding you? Is that possible, or are you just thick. I'm going with thick.

if you want to show where the lie is.
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

Anyway, enjoy that Democrat haters book. I hope it's a good read for you. Sincerely.

what the lie is.

Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

and paste your goofy post 100 more times, too. Knock yourself out, Ev!

You can't find a lie in the post.

Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it. Since you can't prove anythig, I will expect the continuing insults and accusations which is what someone does when they can't back anything up. Otherwise, they just prove their point and go on.

Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

and take a refresher course on Reading Comp 101 while you're at it.

OR, buy some new goggles

OR, waste someone else's time

OR, continue on your masochistic ways until you're blue in the face.

Hope that helps...

only rely on insults which is what a person does when they can't do it, otherwise they just prove their point and go on.

It is obvious you can't do that.

LOL, so funny. Yes, I have enjoyed this and talk about masochistic, you have the hold on that one I would say.

This has been so easy. I really do feel sorry for you.

However, you take it to an entire new realm. Doing a search on your past posts proved everything I need to know.

in front of you you accuse of being a lie but can't prove so you go on to something way out there. I have made enough posts here and been here long enough which proves where I am on issues so good try on that one. However, another good laugh.

Where is the lie in this post which you don't have to make anything up.

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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

unable to prove it. All you hae to do is just read the post.


Where is the lie?

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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

Begging won't get you anywhere. You really are a pathetic soul.

and as such can only do what you are doing.

No begging necessary just thought you would want to save yourself the embarrassment of continuous posting nothing but showing you are unable to prove anything.

Hey, that is what is good about the posts, shows everything doesn't it.

The post you say is a lie. Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

It's up thread, way up yonder in case you need to know. lol

Your Post:

When DU's anti-Hillary brigade gets wind of this, her book will be destined to become a best seller
I'm sure it will give the naysayers on this forum all the extra fodder they need to bash the bejesus out of Hillary.

BTW, the Right Wing always times books like this to come out when they can do the most damage. Anyone who doesn't think that there are books in the making that denounce Barack Obama, in case he becomes our nominee, are naive and living in a dream world.

The instant Barack wins the nod, if he does, the Right Wing authors will be giving him their full attention, just as they do for whomever our candidate is, whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.


and my post:

Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

as proven by your total dismissal of the fact that you got yourself in this mess to begin with. Good thing for you I allowed myself time today for an extended coffee break.

as usual. Hey keep on proving my point for me.

All you can do is the insult thing which fits into the personality of those who accuse with no proof.

but knock yourself out trying!

would be embarrassed too. No problem, It really has been an experience. I did think you might make some attempt at proving your accusation or accusations but I also understand why you didn't when there is no way to do it and it is the truth.

The last post there with your post and mine together show that very clear.

Its been real. LOL, you are unbelievable but when you say those things you really should be able to back them up as I did when I put our posts together. It is all right out there to read.

If you understood, you would have admitted that you initiated an attack on me, albeit a feeble one and an untrue one, before I ever made a single post to you in this thread. If you can't see that, then you just need to move on and hope for better luck next time.

Good luck to ya. You're going to need it!

accusation. If it is untrue then you would prove it but you can't so you continue wasting yours and my time. Maybe you need to move on unless you are willing to prove what you say. If not better luck to you next time.

The posts show what was said don't they. Also, you made the attack when you were making accusations against those who do not support Hillary.

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I know what I said, have tried to get you to say what the lie is, here is the post

Your Post:

When DU's anti-Hillary brigade gets wind of this, her book will be destined to become a best seller
I'm sure it will give the naysayers on this forum all the extra fodder they need to bash the bejesus out of Hillary.

BTW, the Right Wing always times books like this to come out when they can do the most damage. Anyone who doesn't think that there are books in the making that denounce Barack Obama, in case he becomes our nominee, are naive and living in a dream world.

The instant Barack wins the nod, if he does, the Right Wing authors will be giving him their full attention, just as they do for whomever our candidate is, whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.


and my post:

Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

I hope you don't have plans on being a lawywer when you grow up someday. Good luck if you do. Yikes!

posts are right there in front of you so it makes it rather difficult to deny it doesn't it and if Post 20 as you say proves it you would be able to prove your point which you have not been able to do.

Yeah, pretty embarrassing for you I understand.

refuse to backup what you say.

Wasting your time is your own choice and as far is coherent, don't expect me to get to your level and insult. That is used by people such as you are when you are unable to back anything up. I will continue to do the simple thing and just ask again for you to prove your point as you say and show where there is a lie.

Thanks for your time.

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Your Post:

When DU's anti-Hillary brigade gets wind of this, her book will be destined to become a best seller
I'm sure it will give the naysayers on this forum all the extra fodder they need to bash the bejesus out of Hillary.

BTW, the Right Wing always times books like this to come out when they can do the most damage. Anyone who doesn't think that there are books in the making that denounce Barack Obama, in case he becomes our nominee, are naive and living in a dream world.

The instant Barack wins the nod, if he does, the Right Wing authors will be giving him their full attention, just as they do for whomever our candidate is, whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.


and my post:

Where is the lie?
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Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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The truth hurts doesn't it.

It's very unbecoming of internet posters to beg.

problem for you. No begging necessary but very embarrasing for you to say the post is a lie but you can't find a lie in it.

I will break yours and my posts down better for you maybe and that might help you to comprehend better. I will go paragraph by paragraph and maybe that will help you so I will get that done and post it.

Hope that helps.

The insulting does not hurt my feelings, lets see, you have called me so many things now and the begging is pretty funny but all you have to do is prove your accusation that the post is a lie or what in it is a lie.

The insults just show your character which you hae to do when you can't back up your accusations.

Be my guest. You got yourself into this and you're not getting out of it so easy this time pal. Sucks, doesn't it, to be so wrong as you are. Now go and read that anti-Democrats book and feel good about yourself.

have which is why you can't show or prove any lie in it. Not trying to get out of anything as nothing to get out of and no it doesn't suck as it is funny with you not being able to show a lie in the post and so you have to keep making the childish accusations. That doesn't bother me in the least and in fact it just shows where you are.

And I understand how you have to make the other stuff up trying to take away from what you were making accusations about in the first place but were called on it.

Hey, have at it but the proof iw what is in the posts and you can't change that.

You can post until you're fucking blue in the face and I'm not going to spell it out for you any more than that. Keep it up, but I want you to remember one thing. The "t" in mtnsnake stands for truth. Maybe some of it will rub off on you after all your feeble efforts to the contrary. How's that grab you, Ev :smoke:

to back up anything you say which is why you do the child thing and just accuse.

You might want to consider changing your name if that is what the "t" stands for unless you abide by it.

The posts of you and me have been posted. Not hard with any reading ability at all to read it and determine what was said.

If it was Post 20 where is it? Here it is again.

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Here is what we both said, maybe this will help you find the lie you are stating is in here.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 04:05 PM by EV_Ares
You said in your Post:

When DU's anti-Hillary brigade gets wind of this, her book will be destined to become a best seller
I'm sure it will give the naysayers on this forum all the extra fodder they need to bash the bejesus out of Hillary.

I said:

Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.
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I also said:

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.
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You said:

BTW, the Right Wing always times books like this to come out when they can do the most damage. Anyone who doesn't think that there are books in the making that denounce Barack Obama, in case he becomes our nominee, are naive and living in a dream world.

The instant Barack wins the nod, if he does, the Right Wing authors will be giving him their full attention, just as they do for whomever our candidate is, whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.
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I never really addressed the above because I have no disagreement with it. I don't know if the RW is involved with the author or not and her husband is one of the heads of US News and World Reports. And yes, whoever our candidate is, the RW will throw everything at him.


And the following I said certainly can't be a lie:

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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Also, just because someone is for Obama or Edwards as I am doesn't mean they are anti-Hillary. In fact I gave to her senate campaign when she ran for the senate in NY and certainly have no regrets as she has been a good senator and would be a good president if that is what it comes down to.

Again, its been real, hope this helps.

You said in your Post:

When DU's anti-Hillary brigade gets wind of this, her book will be destined to become a best seller
I'm sure it will give the naysayers on this forum all the extra fodder they need to bash the bejesus out of Hillary.

I said:

Since you have attacked anyone on this form against Hillary and in your
next breath say Right Wing, I am sure you have given them extra fodder and have in your way even encouraged them more to do it.
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I also said:

By the way, I don't think DU is so powerful we will be able to make the book a best seller.

You have to remember the Hillerites who constantly bash Obama every chance they get as well.
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You said:

BTW, the Right Wing always times books like this to come out when they can do the most damage. Anyone who doesn't think that there are books in the making that denounce Barack Obama, in case he becomes our nominee, are naive and living in a dream world.

The instant Barack wins the nod, if he does, the Right Wing authors will be giving him their full attention, just as they do for whomever our candidate is, whether it's Hillary, Obama, or Edwards.
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I never really addressed the above because I have no disagreement with it. I don't know if the RW is involved with the author or not and her husband is one of the heads of US News and World Reports. And yes, whoever our candidate is, the RW will throw everything at him.


And the following I said certainly can't be a lie:

I haven't read the book so don't know what it says, no intention of buying it either, but the timing of course should help it to sell more copies with Hillary as a candidate and of course all those who hate Hillary will buy a copy of a book that says what they want to believe. Walk through a book store now and you will see books on every candidate and of course, many on the Clintons.

May very well be a trash book with the author's slant on things, sounds like the type of book she writes considering some of her others. Her husband was or may still be one of the top guys at US News & World Reports.

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Also, just because someone is for Obama or Edwards as I am doesn't mean they are anti-Hillary. In fact I gave to her senate campaign when she ran for the senate in NY and certainly have no regrets as she has been a good senator and would be a good president if that is what it comes down to.

Again, its been real, hope this helps.














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The truth hurts doesn't it.

Evidently you have a lot of hate for any other candidate other than your own chosen one. That is sad and pathetic. Also, evidently you are unable to read or comprehend or maybe you can show me in Post 20 where I showed so much hate for Clinton.

Just admit you are an Obama hater and move on.

Fascinating,exhaustive research,you'll read it,let it digest and..."the tumblers will click" in your mind.

Is that Golden Globe Nominee Anglina Jolie!? Over there,Silly!:crazy:

In the fountain at the 1996 Golden Globes.

Voters went her way when they saw her as a more sympathetic figure.

excerpts here on DU. Get ready.

Author Sally Bedell Smith, a contributing editor at Vanity Fair who has previously written books on the Kennedy White House and Princess Diana, has received media attention for her book For Love of Politics: Bill and Hillary Clinton: The White House Years (Random House, October 2007). Smith has appeared on NBC's Meet the Press (October 21) and Today (October 19), MSNBC's Hardball (October 26), and Fox News' Hannity & Colmes (October 26) and The Big Story (November 1), but her book has largely escaped factual scrutiny. Most recently, on December 11, The Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by Smith on the prospect of "Two Presidents in the White House[]" -- the headline of the piece -- if Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is elected president. In the op-ed, Smith wrote: "iven the Clintons' long history of close consultation, their partnership could end up distorting the way the executive branch is supposed to function -- regardless of the talents each of them might bring to the White House." Below are several errors and flaws in Smith's book that have been identified by Media Matters for America.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712120002

for President follower, but I would defend her to the fullest against Republicans as I did in the 90's. I think it is unfair and unrealistic to suspect those left of Hillary Clinton.

"For Love of Politics" or whatever? From what I've read of it (and I've read some excerpts as well), it's mostly conjecture and hearsay. I don't think it's going to have that big of an impact on the race.

supporters will buy it to see what it says and bitch about it. Other than that, as you say, probably hearsay mostly or some things changed around to suit the author.

I read an exerpt posted on a british news site. I thought it was forthcoming.

All of this piling on Clinton is inclining me to strongly support her.

Thanks for the post cali. We're all Democrats who need to stick together in the final analysis.
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Enemies who would want to sink her regardless of who she's running against.

And, what better time, financially speaking, to release a biography when the person in question is all over the news?

If anyone thinks that this has ANYTHING to do with the Obama or Edwards campaigns, you're crazy.

Unfortunately America is in the process of electing a president, not tabloid fodder which is precisely what the Clintons are to much of America.

What goes around, comes around.

I can't say the same for the Neocons. They would enjoy easily eviscerating an Obama/Kerry ticket or an Edwards/Obama matchup.

Whoever doesn't realize this is either rejecting reality or ill-informed.