Who do you think is more liberal, Clinton or Obama?

Onlooker

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:06 AM
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Poll question: Who do you think is more liberal, Clinton or Obama?

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YOY

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:08 AM
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1. According to the political compass: Obama

And Edwards moreso than Obama.

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Justyce

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:14 AM
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8. Exactly - Edwards is more liberal than both of them. nt

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Renew Deal

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 AM
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16. Edwards 2008 is. Edwards 2004, 2002, 2000, 1998 isn't.

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Renew Deal

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:29 AM
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17. .

Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 AM by Bleachers7

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Renew Deal

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 AM
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18. .

Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 AM by Bleachers7

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DemocratSinceBirth

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:08 AM
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2. Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton is to the left of him on most social and economic issues and to the right of him on most foreign policy/defense issues...

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sellitman

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:09 AM
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3. Neither.

You should of put a Liberal Candidate in your poll if you wanted the truth.

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LostinVA

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:09 AM
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4. Clinton has the most liberal Senate record

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harun

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:13 AM
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6. Well she isn't running for Senate (n/t)

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AJH032

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Tue Jan-15-08 12:05 PM
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34. so? what do you want, her non-existent presidential record?

you can't be serious.

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harun

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Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM
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35. My point was simply that the question should be who would make

a better president. We can certainly garner from their respective time in elected office some insight in to that but I think Hillary's votes in the Senate were made more to gain higher office than to represent any specific ideology. I personally feel I know what Obama's ideology is more than Hillary's but I don't try to pretend I know how good either would be as president, all I can do is vote, pray and hope.

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GalleryGod

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:48 AM
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23. Sorry...not as liberal as my guy on the RIGHT, here.

In some 40 years the proudest boast..will simply be: " I MARCHED WITH CESAR"

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cali

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:52 AM
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27. No she doesn't. Not according to the ADA or any other group who

rates them.

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Kucinich4America

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Tue Jan-15-08 05:13 PM
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38. ADA ratings are bullshit

The DLC'ers always quote them to brag about how "liberal" their candidates are, because they go with all the votes on the meaningless crap, and not the real issues, where Hillary can usually be found driving in the far right lane, at times even veering onto the shoulder.

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Clarkansas

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:11 AM
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5. Obama. Clinton is the most conservative candidate running

for the Dem nomination.

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skipos

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:13 AM
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7. Hillary's triangulating windsock usually leads her to the right. nt

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DutchLiberal

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:15 AM
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9. Kucinich.

The others are right-wingers.

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Cameron27

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:16 AM
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10. Clinton

I'm still wondering why a spokesperson from the Obama campaign took a page right out of the DLC handbook and pitched the idea of "the Democrats' Disease" on CNN. He tried to push the idea that Democrats lose elections because we try to push certain "issues," that he coyly labeled the Democrats' Disease.

Clinton and Obama's records are not significantly different.

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SIMPLYB1980

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:16 AM
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11. Clinton.

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Bullet1987

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:17 AM
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12. Based on past stances and views...Barack Obama hands down

I mean, it's not even close. He was incredibly Liberal in the Illinois State Senate.

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SIMPLYB1980

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:20 AM
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13. Wow Bullet

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4070975#4071457
What did you say about Kerry and Gore Bullet?

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Bullet1987

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:23 AM
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14. I said Clinton would be worse GE candidates than they were...

so? Your point is?

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SIMPLYB1980

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:30 AM
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19. I don't think Kerry or Gore were bad GE candidates.

I think stupid people who couldn't see past their own conceit, who either stayed home or gave their votes to Fascist.

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Bullet1987

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:46 AM
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22. Well maybe not Gore...but Kerry definently

was the Establishment choice. Even though Kerry is a pretty Progressive guy.

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GalleryGod

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:57 AM
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29. Well.."The Establisment" had nowhere else to go in 2004. John was a good,solid,candidate.

For the life of me...I want to sign-up about 100 DUers for my "American Presidency" seminar; Those who say "Kerry messed up a slam-dunk"...do you know how hard it is to beat an incumbant war time President.

The "Swiftboating" response was MORE painful for US,who muddied our boots on the same real estate as John, than ANY of you DUers out there in cyber land... so please,save your breath and typed responses.
Thanks.
My "Lions in Winter"

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CherokeeDem

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:28 AM
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15. Edwards NT

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GalleryGod

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:45 AM
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20. Clearly CLINTON; which bodes WELL for the GENERAL in November.

Hey! :wtf: Who's that swimming in the Fountain !?!

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DemocratSinceBirth

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:51 AM
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26. It's More Complex...

Hill runs left on economic and social policies and right on defense/foreign policy...That's not a bad place for a national Democratic candidate to be...

Most non-ideological folks will not vote for a candidate they don't think can keep em safe...

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sinkingfeeling

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:45 AM
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21. John Edwards!

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Adelante

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:50 AM
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24. Ratings

VoteSmart

AFL-CIO
Clinton 93% Edwards 100%
Obama 93% McCain 7%

ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 20%

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
Clinton 83% Edwards 60%
Obama 83% McCain 33%

AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION
Clinton 8% Edwards 13%
Obama 8% McCain 65%

AMERICAN WILDERNESS COALTION
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 16%

AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION
Clinton 95% Edwards 65%
Obama 95% McCain 16%

AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY
Clinton 0%
McCain 100%

AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 40%

AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 20%

AMERICANS FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 33%

AM. SOCIETY FOR PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
Clinton 100% Edwards 60%
McCain 20%

ANIMAL HUMANE SOCIETY OF U.S.
Clinton 100% Edwards 60%
Obama 60% McCain 40%

BRADY CAMPAIGN TO PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE
Clinton 100% Edwards 77%
McCain 14%

CHILDREN’S DEFENSE FUND
Clinton 100% Edwards 91%
Obama 100% McCain 10%

CITIZENS FOR GLOBAL SOLUTIONS
Clinton A+ Edwards 53%
Obama A+ McCain B+

DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 40%

DISABLED AMERICAN VETERANS
Clinton 80% Edwards 66%
Obama 80% McCain 20%

LEAGUE OF CONSERVATION VOTERS
Clinton 95% Edwards 37%
Obama 100% McCain 29%

NAACP
Clinton 96% Edwards 94%
Obama 100% McCain 7%

NARAL PRO CHOICE:
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN
Clinton 96%
Obama 91% McCain 13%

NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL FARMERS UNION
Clinton 83% Edwards 80%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE
Clinton 0% Edwards 0%
Obama 0% McCain 75%

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION
Clinton F
McCain C+

NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR A MORE EFFECTIVE CONGRESS
Clinton 95% Edwards 95%
Obama 95% McCain 20%

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
Clinton 100% Edwards 88%
Obama 100% McCain 60%

PLANNED PARENTHOOD:
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

UNITED AUTO WORKERS
Clinton 93% Edwards 75%
Obama 85% McCain 9%

Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) (from 2001-2006)

Obama 97.5
Clinton 95.8
Dodd 94.1
Biden 91.6
Edwards 82.5

National Journal

Obama 84.3
Dodd 79.2
Clinton 78.8
Biden 76.8
Edwards 75.7

Progressive Punch (lifetime)

Clinton 92%
Obama 90%
Dodd 87%
Biden 84%

http://www.vote-smart.org/
http://www.adaction.org/votingrecords.htm
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/pdf/06democrats.pdf
http://www.progressivepunch.org/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4044288

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Perky

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:50 AM
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25. Well I am glad we settled that simmering debate

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Avalux

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Tue Jan-15-08 10:55 AM
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28. That's too black and white (no pun intended).

Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 10:56 AM by sparosnare

I prefer to think of which one is more open to new ideas and ways of doing things. I think Obama gets the edge; I see Hillary as too set in her ways.

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mntleo2

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Tue Jan-15-08 11:05 AM
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30. Clinton Once Was A Young Republican

Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:07 AM by mntleo2

...born into a white, rich family and educated at the best schools at Daddy's expense. It takes a VERY special person to become a progressive with those credentials, as it takes a rare someone who was born poor to be libertarian/conservative. I cannot believe anyone would even THINK she was a progressive. But I see a few people around here drink the koolaide.

You know the old adage: You can't teach an old dog new tricks ...

Cat In Seattle <----Edwards supporter

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Muttocracy

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Tue Jan-15-08 11:07 AM
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31. need more than 1 axis

The left/right liberal/conservative axes don't cover things very well. Better to split out economic spectrum and social spectrum and define what you mean by "liberal". Some consider the free market liberal, so Democrats are socially liberal and economically conservative. Other ways to define it too.

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ieoeja

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Tue Jan-15-08 11:34 AM
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32. Clinton centrist by nature. Obama centrist by compromise.

I don't entirely** buy the triangulation accusations against Clinton. A lot of us really believe in a little from column A and a little from column B. I, for example, am a foreign interventionist, pro-choice, pro-gun, economic progressive, pro-gay marriage civil libertarian who wants to end the wars on drugs, alcohol, tobacco and terror.

To Ron Paul supporters, his racism aside, note "economic progressive" in that list. So don't tell me I should be supporting the candidate who is most rightwing on economics.

In a sense I think Obama is more triangulatory (probably not a word, but...). In my opinion his background suggests he is a very progressive individual who acknowledges and works in the reality that not everyone agrees with his views or should have his views forced upon them.

As we have seen the past seven years, even a complete idiot as President of the United States can lead this country in directions opposed by the overwhelming majority of the people. As I believe Hillary is a centrist by nature, I have no hopes of her using the bully pulpit to restart this country in a progressive direction. I have great hopes for Obama.

Will Obama disappoint me as Bill did in 1992? He might. But I'd say Obama gives me better odds than Hillary. If I must "toss the dice", as Bill Clinton pointed out, then I will go with the odds.

**Everyone triangulates some.

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ladjf

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Tue Jan-15-08 11:57 AM
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33. I don't think that either of them is liberal. Nor do I think they

are conservative. They both are reacting to what appears to them as politically expedient. In effect, they don't appear to have a political philosophy, only a political process based on expediency.

The same accusation could be made for all candidates. I favor Edwards, not because I trust him any more than the other candidates, but, because I like his stated positions and feel that if he is elected, he is likely to improve the situation at least to some extent.

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mntleo2

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Tue Jan-15-08 03:10 PM
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36. I am considering that as well, ladjf n/t

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ladjf

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Tue Jan-15-08 04:50 PM
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37. Thanks. It's hard to get anyone to agree with anyone on this

board.

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jackson_dem

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Tue Jan-15-08 05:59 PM
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39. Hillary. Barack, as Krugman noted, is the most conservative Dem running

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