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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:16 PM
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IS JOHN KERRY OBAMA'S VP Running-mate?
Seems to me, Kerry is already on the Campaign Trial with Obama as his choice of VP.

Would this be his idea of revenge against the Bush Administration for the theft of "HIS" election?

So the attacks against Hillary, we are witnessing by John Kerry, could be out of misplaced anger because he refused to FIGHT for the theft of HIS own Election?

What Gives?
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:17 PM
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1. No.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:17 PM
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2. No.
Powerful Senators in their mid-sixties don't run for v.p.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:22 PM
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10. McCain is way older than Kerry and he's doing OK, cali
so I don't think age would hold Kerry back at all. Hey, a little botox goes a long way!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:24 PM
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14. It does great on your candidate.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:25 PM
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16. .
:spray:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM
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33. Kucinich doesn't inject botox, at least not that I have ever heard of
Or did you mean my second favorite, Hillary? I don't think she uses it, does she? That beauty of hers is natural. What a cougar.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:21 PM
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79. Kucinich doesn't need to....see below
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:34 PM
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95. Ooh la la
:thumbsup:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM
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25. McCain is going for the presidency- not
the vp. Big difference.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:20 PM
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78. I think Cali means 60-something senators don't sign up to be *VICE*-President
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:23 PM by dmesg
It's pretty much like being put out to pasture; consider Bentsen, or, going back further, Muskie or Kefauver.

On edit: Apparently Kefauver in 1952 actually beat Truman -- then the sitting President -- in the New Hampshire primary and made him decide against running for a third term (the 22nd Amendment grandfathered him in), though Stevenson ended up picking up the nomination. Just a neat fact.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:40 PM
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116. Yes. She let me know that in post 25. She was right about that
but thanks. I appreciate the extra clarity you provided. :)
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:18 PM
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3. VP would be a demotion for him
With his seniority, he'd be taking a big step down to become VP.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:18 PM
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4. Wouldn't that piss Edwards off?
With the tag team match going on Seems to me like Edwards thinks he's going to be the VP in a purely theoretical Obama Administration
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:19 PM
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6. Isn't John Kerry one of those "status quo" Democrats that Edwards goes on about?
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:20 PM
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8. Yep his old running mate.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:24 PM
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15. Isn't Edwards pissed off already...?
Obama stabbed him in the back. After Edwards ran interference for him with the unrelenting attacks on Hillary, giving Obama a tremendous boost to his poll numbers, while Edwards' numbers plummeted in the polls.

AND- The SLAP IN THE FACE John Kerry gave Edwards by supporting Obama?

I tell ya, John Kerry is the kiss of Death for any presidential candidate.

Hillary dodged a bullet on that one!
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:26 PM
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17. She didn't dodge it, she wore a bullet proof vest to stop it!
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM
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24. John Kerry came off as a spoiled sport when he endorsed Obama...
He should have waited till the nominee was picked.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:34 PM
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37. Nah:
Here's Kerry's speech endorsing Obama:

Martin Luther King said “the time is always right to do what is right”. And I’m here in South Carolina because this is the right time to share with you my confidence that the next President of the United States should be, can be, and will be Barack Obama.

Four years ago, I began my own presidential campaign here in Charleston at Patriots Point. I committed myself then to fight for “a new era of concern for community and not division.” When the campaign ended almost a thousand miles away in Boston, I congratulated President Bush but I also warned him “of the danger of division in our country and of the desperate need for unity, for finding the common ground, coming together.” I dared to hope publicly that the healing would begin then. It didn’t – but it will begin when Barack Obama is President.

There are other candidates in this race with whom I have worked and whom I respect. They are terrific public servants and each of them could be President tomorrow and each would fight to take the country in the right direction.

But I believe that more than anyone else, Barack Obama can help our country turn the page and get America moving by uniting us and ending the division that we have faced. He has a superb talent, as all of you know, to communicate the best of our hopes and aspirations for America and for the world and that is why Barack Obama has the greatest potential to lead a transformation not just a transition.

He knows that real change only comes when millions of Americans join together and come together in a movement that demands it – when they’re united in common cause and to speak out so loudly that Washington absolutely has no choice but to listen. That’s not just a way to win the election – it’s the only way to change the nation. He understands that we have to force the politicians to feel your power – and I am here because it is Barack Obama who in a unique way brings the lessons of the neighborhood, the lessons of the legislature and the lessons of his own life to that awesome challenge. And my friends those lessons that made him a candidate to bring change to our country they’re same lessons he will bring to the oval office every day to fight for you as President of the United States.

Now, I was proud to help introduce Barack to the nation when I asked him to speak to our national convention in 2004. Obviously, Barack did all the heavy-lifting. But like millions of Americans, Teresa and I were stirred by the way he eloquently reminded all of us of the fact that our “true genius is faith in simple dreams, an insistence on small miracles;” and we were all of us moved by the power with which he shattered the shallow stereotype, reminding people all across America that in Red States and Blue States, we “worship an awesome God.”

At this moment in America -- who better than Barack Obama to call us to responsibility for children abandoned in cities and rural communities? Who better than Barack Obama to remind all Americans how much difference it makes to get an open door to a good school? Who better than Barack Obama to bring millions of disaffected young people back to the great task of governing and making a difference, child to child, community to community? Who better than Barack Obama to bring new credibility to America’s role in the world and help restore our moral authority? Who better than Barack Obama to turn a new page in American politics so that, Democrat, Independent and Republican alike can look to leadership that unites to find the common ground?

Mile by mile of the long march of this campaign, the cynics have questioned whether this young leader from Illinois is ready. But you know what? The cynics may have spoken, but it’s the people who will decide. And it’s the people who can prove the doubters wrong and enlist thousands more in a movement for change to restore faith in our government at home and our reputation in the world. In just a few days, right here in South Carolina, you get to do your part to make history and make Barack Obama President of the United States.

Since the birth of our nation, change has been won by young Presidents and young leaders who have shown that experience is defined not by time in Washington or years in office, but by wisdom, instinct and vision. Today we still draw on the “truths” that we believe to be “self-evident”—but how easy it is to forget that Thomas Jefferson was just 33 when he wrote them into our Declaration of Independence. How easy it is to forget that Martin Luther King was just 26 when he led the Montgomery Bus Boycott, just 34 when he inspired America with a powerful dream. My friends, when we choose a President, we are electing judgment and character, not years on this earth -- and it is the moral compass I see in Barack Obama that gives me confidence he will steer our country in the right direction. He was, after all, right about the war in Iraq from the very beginning!

It’s time for South Carolina and our country to take stock of Barack Obama – to understand the strength of a man who grew up without his father, whose mother and grandparents couldn’t give him money or privilege but gave him passion and purpose, values and vision. Measure the character of a young man who graduated from an Ivy League college and could have gone anywhere – but chose the streets of Chicago as a community organizer going door to door to make hope burn a little brighter for the people who had seen the steel mills shut down and the jobs disappear. Measure the character of the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, who could have found fame and fortune on Wall Street or in a high priced law firm, but who instead chose cause and commitment as a civil rights lawyer giving voice to the voiceless. Measure the character of that young lawyer who chose public service over private gain and went to the legislature where he fought the old divisions and brought people together to put money in the pockets of working poor families; put early childhood education ahead of giveaways for the elected and connected; and brought Democrats and Republicans together to stand up for civil rights and civil liberties. Measure the character of a United States Senator who passed landmark ethics reform to restore faith in government, and who stood up to the bureaucrats to get Illinois veterans the disability pay they were promised, and traveled to the other end of the earth to work to end the genocide in Darfur. That is the true measure of character – character we need in the White House, character we need to help America retake its rightful place in the world starting in 2009.

I was recently in Africa and then at the Climate Change talks in Bali. From afar you can sometimes have a clearer view than when you are in the middle of the maelstrom. I saw and felt how important it can be to America’s interests in the world – to our ability to reach across great divides and speak the truth from a different experience in our own land. I saw how Barack Obama could strengthen our nation and set us back on the path of our time-honored values.

On the Foreign Relations Committee where Barack and I serve together, I have seen his special talent, a leader who knows how to listen. Just think about the difference it will make after eight years of bluster and ideology to have a president who reaches out to other nations, a president who wants America to lead by example, and a statesman who recognizes that even the most powerful nation on earth needs to make some friends on this planet.

Like Barack, I lived abroad as a young man and I share with him a healthy respect for knowing and understanding other cultures and countries – not from a book or a briefing – but by personal experience – by gut – by instinct. Good statescraft has always relied on leadership that sees other nations and leaders not just through American eyes and expectations, but sees them as they see and hope for themselves. Barack will be a president who marshals all our resources – military, diplomatic, economic, and moral – and first and foremost will always tell the truth to the American people. After years of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, with Barack Obama in the White House, we will have a President who treats our moral authority as a precious national asset that does not limit our power, but magnifies our global leadership.

Some have suggested in this campaign that Barack is guilty of raising “false hopes.” So I ask you, was it a false hope when Thomas Jefferson said the United States should make available to every child a free education in public schools? Was it a false hope when Franklin Roosevelt said that half of our senior citizens no longer had to live in poverty? Was it a false hope when Harry Truman said that every veteran of World War II could go to college on the G.I. Bill? Was it a false hope when John Kennedy said we would go the moon in a decade? My friends, the only charge that rings false is the one that tells you not to hope for a better tomorrow. Don’t let anyone tell you to accept the downsizing of the American Dream – not in our America, not today, and not tomorrow when Barack Obama is President of the United States.

President Kennedy’s call to service brought me into the United States Navy and to Vietnam. A war gone wrong, a country divided, and politicians content to keep us that way made me an activist when I came back home. Knocking on doors that wouldn’t always open, I saw the cynicism of Washington, but I also saw that brothers and sisters standing together could bring about great change.

Thirty five years later, I’m a little older and grayer, and I see a Washington that is even more divided today than it was then. I see Americans by the millions turned off from our democracy itself. I hear about voters who want to turn off the television -- take their phones off the hook -- stop opening the mail -- because to them politics has become a dirty word and we’ve all seen too much of a politics that sells out the conscience of our country just to win an election.

I am here today because we need new leadership that can call us back together, and leaders who look out at America, and see, not an electorate to be sliced and diced and pitted against each other, but citizens who want to do great things together. Sometimes the hardest thing for the established political world to do is make a clean break with the past – to readily embrace new thinking and a new beginning. The Old Guard sometimes has a hard time acknowledging an individual who breaks the mold. Well let me tell you something, Barack Obama isn’t just going to break the mold – together, we are going to shatter into a million pieces!

The country is yearning for bipartisanship, yearning for a change in our politics, yearning for an end to the battles of the past. People want innovative, nonpartisan and especially non-scripted ways of fixing problems. That is what Barack brings to this race and South Carolina and the country have the chance to guarantee that we get it.

I am here because we need leadership that understands as another young man from Illinois once said, “a house divided against itself cannot stand” and more than ever we need leaders who have lived and breathed the politics of unity.

In life, we all travel different journeys which shape our character. We learn. We make mistakes. We grow - hopefully. One thing is clear: Washington isn’t the only teacher – and in recent years Washington DC hasn’t been the best teacher. I support Barack Obama for President because he has the judgment to know that Washington must change, the character to have already fought to change it, and the best ability of anyone running to unite Americans in that cause.

I support him because he doesn’t seek to perfect the politics of Swiftboating, but to end it.

I support Barack Obama because he will help bring the country together again, lead the world and show by example, not by words, that here in America anything is really possible for those who dare to dream and those determined to work for it.

History gives us moments. We get to decide what to do with them. I believe, this moment is the moment we should make Barack Obama President of the United States. And I welcome him to Charleston, South Carolina - Barack Obama.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:50 PM
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51. Non-Sense.. you must be so happy to use your 100 MGs "spam" file again!
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 02:51 PM by Tellurian
CUT + PASTE = Non-Sense..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:02 PM
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67. That's not Kerry's speech endorsing Obama?
LOL!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:38 PM
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42. Thats just it..and the reason he's so combative now!
He wants the nominee to be Obama because theres something in it for him!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:22 PM
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81. How? Evidence Kerry is wanting to be VP? Evidence Obama is considering him?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:22 PM by Kerry2008
Kerry said long ago he would endorse someone.

And he did...

Does that mean he's gunning for VP?

He's actually running for re-election, if you would post facts over opinions you present as facts.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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21. No, the only people who are PO are Hillary's supporters, apparently.
At least it is what I can see from their blogs.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:29 PM
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28. This is not one supporter PO"D, this one supporter is relieved!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM
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31. Yes, as I can see by all your posts. Obviously.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:59 PM
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61. Hillary wanted that endorsement. So did Bill. n/t
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:00 PM
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63. And your proof on this?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:07 PM
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70. Here:
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:08 PM by ProSense
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:46 PM
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49. That would be more believable if she and Bill did not
try in every way they could to get that endorsement.

As to Edwards - his persona and program is the opposite of one to heal the partisanship. That is new in the 2008 Edwards. Also, Edwards has attacked Kerry and does not take his calls. Given that is true, it is beyond silly to think Kerry would even think of endorsing him.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:58 PM
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59. Kerry didn't slap Edwards in the face. It is well known that Edwards
didn't want anything to do with Kerry post-election. It is equally known that the only other candidate actively lobbying for Kerry's endorsement was Hillary.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:19 PM
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5. No--he wouldn't bring much to the ticket in the general election.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:19 PM
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7. No.
He is a powerful Senator, and is up for re-election in 2008 in Mass. I believe you have stated in the past that you wanted him defeated, but tough luck to you: he's staying.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:21 PM
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9. No. Kerry is just fighting complete irrelevance.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM
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32. Kerry is relevant, thank you very much
He is my Senator and myself and much of MA thinks he does a pretty darn good job.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:23 PM
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11. No, but thank you for waking up the herd of Kerry bashers of all sorts.
Kerry is not running for VP, has said so, and is still very relevant. So, stop whining.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:31 PM
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34. Screw them, their opinion on Kerry means shit.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:23 PM
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12. No.
God.

John Kerry is defending his choice for the nomination publicly, which is what supporters with a high profile are supposed to do. Though you wouldn't have known it by the number of high profile dems who defended Kerry in 2004. (by my count, if you're interested, all of TWO: Wes Clark and Howard Dean.)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:24 PM
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13. "could be out of misplaced anger because he refused to FIGHT..." Here is your
answer.

:rofl:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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Huh? The battle to be fought was 4 yrs ago... Kerry gave us Bush!
Kerry rolled over and went back to bed after he conceded to Bush!

Nothing, zero, nada, fight in Kerry!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:31 PM
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35. I'm Tell-ur-ian you that you are
Wrong:

Blogged by JC on 08.22.05 @ 04:19 PM ET

Fighting for Every Voter

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

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Since the 2004 election is being revisited, here are some facts

There was also that little matter of the two Ohio election workers being sentenced for tampering with the recount so why are people still claiming a recount never happened. It did, but it was rigged in a state run by Repubs.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:32 PM
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36. Correction, Ken Blackwell gave us Bush. And Clinton ally Carville was more than willing to help.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:44 PM
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47. Kerry is a lawyer and familiar with court procedures..
Blackwell et al can say anything they want. The Party of interest was KERRY and the one who should have instituted suit against the The State of Ohio Board of Elections.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:53 PM
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53. "My client is innocent, your Honor. Wait, he's guilty. I rest my case"
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #53
77. Wait! Who Is That Shadow Standing Behind the Curtain...
supporting Obama, creating 527s for his campaign..having "VP" embroidered on his PJs.. It's The Wizard from MA!

:rofl:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:28 PM
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110. Why would he want VP when he's already had the nomination for president
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 05:31 PM by LittleClarkie
All he's done so far is support Obama, the person he endorsed.

It's awfully weird to tack on the rest of that based on Kerry merely supporting the man he endorsed.

Not that I wouldn't like to see Kerry in the administration somewhere, mind you. But second banana to Obama doesn't sound like it would appeal.

Meanwhile you're having a bit too much fun running around ridiculing and bringing down the level of discourse. Is there a reason for that? Do you not think that your behavior reflects on your candidate? Do you think she has so many votes to burn that you can gleefully snark to your heart's content, never mind that people are reading you and deciding who to vote for in part because of your behavior?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:02 PM
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108. Edit: already violating my own rules
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 05:24 PM by LittleClarkie
But dude, don't you think you could pull out something a tad more original than "he's a flip flopper"? That one dates back to the last primary.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #47
91. Kerry is a lawyer and familiar with court procedures indeed
So maybe the lawyer didn't see enough hard evidence, eh? Circumstantial wasn't gonna cut it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:33 PM
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94. I didn't realize Kerry was hs own Judge and Jury...oh, a small "j"..
Or that he failed to fulfill his promise to "FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE"!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:45 PM
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107. It was a judgement call. People make those on occasion.
He's wasn't going to put the country through the same mess as 2000 if he didn't think he had a leg to stand on.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #107
121. Then he Lied to the American People..
Kerry said he would FIGHT! And we were all aware of what those words meant! Apparently, he told us what we wanted to hear.
What other reason could he possibly have for saying he would FIGHT for us...he didn't just say those words once, he said those words over and over again, many times!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:06 PM
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120. And Never tried hard enough to find HARD Evidence!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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18. No
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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19. If Obama is elected and he doesn't place Edwards as the AG Kerry should get the job.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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20. Ya know, it's not as crazy as it sounds. I could see it happening
Obama is certainly going to need someone to run with him to make up for his lack of experience in foreign affairs, so who knows, maybe he would pick Kerry as his running mate. I just hope he doesn't go with his mentor, Joe Lieberman, like some have suggested here on this forum might happen. That would suck. I don't think Lieberman could pull enough of the Independents votes like some think. Ugh.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM
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26. The only one on this forum that's suggested Lieberman is you. NT
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM
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29. Those were exactly my thoughts, Mr. Snake..
Kerry as VP would basically be the new Dick Cheney!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:30 PM
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30. The only ones suggesting Lieberman is people like you, who trash Obama.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:35 PM
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38. Hey, Senator, is today the day you're for Hillary or against her? (snicker)
BTW, why do you always copycat someone, like you did here with copying NYCGirl's post? Isn't that a little bit obvious?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:14 PM
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76. Great counterpoint, Mtnsnake.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:15 PM by Kerry2008
And great use of not producing any substance in your response, and instead pushing forward immature name calling. By the way, isn't that against the rules?

And I've never been for Hillary.

Perhaps you should go read that thread again, I was saying if John Edwards didn't do well in Iowa, I might consider Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama because of the negative tone of the attacks on Edwards from Obama on 527 ad's. Obama has stopped those attacks, and Edwards DID do well in Iowa.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:37 PM
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114. Here are your exact words: "If Edwards doesn't do well in Iowa, I'm supporting Hillary"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3935869

Well, Edwards did NOT do well. He and Hillary both got THROTTLED by Obama in Iowa. It wasn't even close. Every political expert out there said that Edwards had to win Iowa or it would be considered devastating for him, considering how he practically took up residence there for the last couple years or more. Not only did he lose, but he and Hillary both lost by a country mile.

So, you didn't back up your own words, as usual. Edwards didn't do well in Iowa and instesd of following up on your own promise of supporting Hillary, you did a complete about face. Aww, what the heck is one more flip flop, Senator?

It's just as well. With supporters like you, Hillary would never need another enemy again. Yikes!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:41 PM
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43. Remember when Clinton was wrong on Iraq and Lieberman:
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 02:42 PM by ProSense
Clinton, in a recent speech at the Aspen Institute conference, defended Lieberman and his staunch support for the war in Iraq. He questioned why antiwar Democrats are seeking to oust a fellow Democrat, saying that instead of seeking to retire Republicans they were pursuing "the nuttiest strategy I ever heard in my life."


more
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:44 PM
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46. I didn't realize Bill was running for President. I thought it was his wife. nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:48 PM
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50. Clinton's name isn't even mentioned in the OP..
but when did rival supporters ever stay on topic?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:51 PM
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52. No kidding. Notice all the thread hijackers showing up here, all because you made a good point.
What are they afraid of? Is the secret out now?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:53 PM
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54. Good point? Kerry is running for reelection and cannot have his name twice on the ballot.
This goes to show how the question was good. Apparently, you whiners cannot be bothered by facts.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:54 PM
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57. Has Kerry never changed his mind before?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:56 PM
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58. Why would he want to be VP? I know nothing will stop your attacks, so it is a lost cause,
but you sound more and more insane every day, with claims that have no basis. Good luck with that, because clearly, you are no help to your candidate, on the contrary, the OP and you seem to be campaigning against her.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:43 PM
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117. Why? So he can be Obama's Dick Cheney
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:53 PM
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56. Neither is
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 02:53 PM by ProSense
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:02 PM
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66. Yeah, kind of like Hillary and her lack of foreign policy experience. n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:21 PM
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111. Only trouble is, that's not correct. Hillary is ooziing with foreign policy experience. nt
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:27 PM
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22. Kerry promised us all he would contest any voter irregularities
did he do it? NO! Did he get mad when he was swift boated? NO! Did he take Edwards suggestion and hit back hard on the swift boat folks? NO! So what does Kerry bring to the ticket and I doubt seriously there will be an obama ticket, but if ya wanna lose again then go ahead and have obama as the nominee and if you sure as hell really wanna make sure you lose, the add kerry to the ticket...
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:01 PM
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64. Kerry-Edwards lawyers were in court way past the election regarding voter irregularities.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:04 PM by Kerry2008
Here is bits and pieces of a letter from Donald McTigue, a lawyer for Kerry-Edwards, to Ohio S.O.S Ken Blackwell:

Re: Compromised Hocking County Recount

Dear Secretary Blackwell:

I am writing to you on behalf of John Kerry and John Edwards, the Democratic Party candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States at the November 2, 2004 general election.

<snip>

Given the information that has come to light regarding activity that occurred on December 10, 2004 at the Hocking County Board of Elections, the integrity of using the Board’s computerized tabulating system to conduct the recount of the presidential election has been seriously compromised.

<snip>

Based upon this affidavit, I hereby request that you conduct a thorough investigation of the matter. In the meantime, the tabulating system should not be used for the recount and I hereby request that you order the Hocking County Board of Elections to conduct a full hand recount of the ballots and not use the tabulating system for the recount.

<snip>

I also request that your office immediately review with all other boards of elections whether representatives of any company that may have been employed to program or prepare their tabulating equipment for the recount were made aware of the precinct or precincts that would be included in the three percent hand count. If such is the case, I request that you take corrective action, including ordering full hand recounts or allowing the candidates to have the systems tested by outside independent experts.

As the state’s Chief Elections Official, you have both the authority and responsibility to take these actions. Time is of the essence and your immediate attention is required. I look forward to your response.

Very truly yours,

Donald J. McTigue


Cc: Daniel J. Hoffheimer

Kerry-Edwards State Counsel, Ohio

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0412/S00256.htm


Also....

The lawyers for Green presidential candidate David Cobb and Libertarian presidential candidate Michael Badnarik, along with Kerry-Edwards 2004 have added election tampering to a civil suit filed against the state of Ohio over problems with the state's recount...

<snip>

The suit, detailed here, alleges that a manufacturer of voting machines, Triad Election Systems, which serves 43 counties in the state, is tampering with the recount.

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_ohio_suit_1215.php


And...

This afternoon, an attorney representing the Kerry/Edwards presidential campaign filed two important motions to preserve and augment evidence of alleged election fraud in the November election.

<snip>

The filing by the Kerry/Edwards campaign is significant. The Yost matter deals with a recount of the votes cast in Ohio during the election. In order for a judge to consider such a motion, the plaintiff must be able to prove irreparable harm in the matter at hand, and must also be able to prove a significant chance that the case will succeed on the merits. The stumbling point for the Green Party and Libertarian Party in this matter has been the ability to prove that potential for success, because no recount would deliver an Ohio victory to them. A recount could very well deliver Ohio to Kerry, thus fulfilling the success on the merits requirement.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122804V.shtml


You know who DIDN'T help Kerry-Edwards regarding voter irregularities?

James Carville

The Democratic version of Karl Rove was more than happy to throw John Kerry and John Edwards under the bus when he told Mary Matalin, who was at the White House with Bush, Kerry's plans to fight on and contest the Ohio results.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.


So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."


Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Yes the rest is history. Idiots get to say John Kerry 'layed' down, while that snake James Carville is never questioned about this. This is the same idiot who wanted Howard Dean gone, and Harold Ford in his place. Spewing Right Wing talking points against Senator Kerry doesn't make your point true. Know the facts before you make such charges.












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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #22
65. The NeoCons are gloating at the thoughts of an Obama/Kerry ticket..
simple as Apple Pie to eviscerate the weakest links in the Democratic Chain.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:05 PM
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68. Evidence they're gloating?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:06 PM by Kerry2008
Don't post your opinions as fact.

And evidence ANYONE in the Barack Obama campaign is even CONSIDERING Obama/Kerry?

I could post that Hillary Clinton is considering Zell Miller, does me saying it make that true?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:22 PM
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82. Hillary/Zell? Sounds great! We should start talking that up!
:thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #65
71. That would make neocons
simpletons!
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:28 PM
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23. Not a chance
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:29 PM
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27. What an idiotic post. Kerry's running for re-election, and I doubt any candidate is considering him
Obama's playing up his endorsement because he's a high profile Democrat, and the nominee from 2004.

Stop trashing Kerry to try and advance your B.S. attacks on Obama.

It seems the Hillaryis44 crowd has very little to say about Hillary Clinton, and so much trash to post about John Edwards and Barack Obama--and anyone who supports or speaks out for them.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. Why do you run around calling anyone's post you disagree with "idiotic", Senator Flip-Flopper?
Jealous again?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:09 PM
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:35 PM
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39. Is this the latest news from Smear website Hillaryis44?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #39
60. Wrong again... do you need affirmation help?
Here is the Hillary is 44 website.. you're welcome to visit!

http://www.hillaryis44.org/

The Times online designated it the Hillary Clinton "War Room".. IMO..that is an appropriate Tag for it..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #60
69. That website is wrong:
Hillary is 60.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:11 PM
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74. Is 'War Room' the new title for a group that uses smearing and RW talking points?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:22 PM
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80. RW Talking points?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Don't you have an "Obama is a muslim" post to make?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:24 PM by Kerry2008
And yes, RW talking points.

Hillaryis44 should be the GOP's guide in how to attack Obama and Edwards.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #83
84. How do we know it's not
the GOP's guide?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:25 PM
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85. Good point.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #84
118. The GOP seldom use straight facts when they attack a Dem candidate..
Thats how..
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:26 PM
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:29 PM
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90. So what does Hillaryis44 accomplish in bashing Edwards and Obama?
I've been to the website many of times, and very little is posted about Hillary's record or experience.

Much is posted about Obama and Edwards, and it's usually negative.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:38 PM
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96. Discussion of the Lies and distortions by rival camps...for the World to see- maybe !
If you need to read about her accomplishments you can read here:

http://clinton.senate.gov/ Or you can go here:

http://www.hillaryhub.com/ And you can go here for the FACTS:

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:43 PM
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99. A website surrounded by lies and distortions and you claim they fight rival camps lies &distortions?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:43 PM by Kerry2008
Quite the spin.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:44 PM
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101. Why talk about it...sign up and debunk..rather than posting incessant whiny posts..
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:46 PM
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103. Why not sign with GOP.com? They use the same anti-Democrat smears!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #103
119. Why do you also refuse to stay on topic..a RW tactic of diversion
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #119
123. Speaking of staying on topic, wasn't this thread supposed to be about Kerry, Obama, VP's and such?
In our little sub-thread it became about Kerry in 2004, somehow.

Why did you wander from your own topic and start randomly bashing Kerry over 4-year-old news?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:20 PM
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124. And why would that not be relevant?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:36 PM
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41. No.
What gives is that you're desperately trying to make a story out of nothing.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:43 PM
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44. Absolutely not.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:43 PM
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45. Don't be jealous..it's
unbecoming.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:46 PM
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48. That would be a ginormous mistake, IMO
Right along the scale with nominating Mrs. Clinton. We need to move forward.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 02:53 PM
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55. I don't think so.
Kerry would be a bad pick, and I'd doubt he'd do it anyway.
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HERVEPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:00 PM
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62. Do you have no grasp of politics at all?
Kerry wouldn't want it, and it would be a stupid choice for Obama.

BTW, I'm an Edwards, then Hillary supporter.
Well, really Kucinich, but oh well.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:08 PM
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72. I'd guess a westerner
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:17 PM by dmesg
Richardson, maybe, or Salazar (either one is a good choice in my book, and both could help overcome the "Democrats want to take yer guns" meme). But at any rate I'd guess somebody from the west. I'm also not saying he should pick an Hispanic person in particular, just that the two westerners with the most to offer happen to be Hispanic.

(It would also be interesting for an African-American candidate and his Hispanic running mate to never really mention race. Funny how it's only Republican minority candidates who use their race as a shield...)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:14 PM
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75. Deleted sub-thread
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:27 PM
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87. I don't see it.
It wouldn't make any sense to pick the last election's nominee as your VP. It would just point up his lack of experience.

Obama will need to pick someone outside of the Senate, and possibly the House also. Someone who served as head of a government agency, kind of like Bush chose Cheney... even though Cheney had been in the House, he'd been out of office for a number of years.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:28 PM
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88. NEWSFLASH: Kerry said months ago he was going to endorse someone. And he's running for re-election.
He didn't make this decision out of the blue in order to earn his spot as VP. And nor does he want to be VP, your OP lacks substance in proving he does. Him running for re-election totally kills your point anyway.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:28 PM
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89. He'll do as a surrogate attack dog until there is a VP to fulfill that role
Or maybe he's just committed to Obama, and lending his support.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:30 PM
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92. So, he will be a surrogate attack dog and no groans from his supporters
when he is attacked in kind, then. Got it!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #92
97. .


(click me!)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #92
106. None of that was in my post and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't read things that aren't there
Kerry is supporting Obama.

If that means speaking up, he will. If that means speaking up loudly, he will. But if by attack dog you mean attacking unfairly, unfactually, or in the form of bashing, then no, I don't think he will do that, nor would we Kerry supporters want him to. If a Kerry supporter thinks he has a point, that supporter will likely jump in to back him up.

If someone has something to say about Kerry or his comments, I would hope they would do so in kind, meaning truthfully, fairly, factually and not in the form of bashing.

If that doesn't happen, then Kerry supporters will likely pipe up, civilly I would hope.

Conversely, Bill Clinton is supporting Hillary, in much the same role I suppose. Once again it depends on what you mean by attack dog. He's defending her, as Kerry is defending Obama. Fairly I would hope.

Essentially, I would expect both sides to pipe up if they see something unfair.

Problem with that?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:31 PM
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93. Just as Tom Vilsack, Wes Clark, and others are for Hillary? NOOO, they're all gunning for VP.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:43 PM
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100. Can you list their attacks on Obama or Edwards..
in a timely fashion..
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:45 PM
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102. Kerry didn't attack Hillary Clinton, he attacked the tactics of her campaign.
As a matter of a fact, he had good things to say about her personally. Despite the knives her and the other Clinton allies, like Carville and McAwful, put in his back.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:51 PM
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104. Ooops, can't find anything to back your assertions?
Why am I not surprised.

Who are you supporting today? Or, you still can't decide?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:52 PM
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105. Kerry never attacked Hillary, so your point is void of logic. And I've ALWAYS supported John Edwards
....since John Kerry said he wouldn't run for President.

Always.

Proof otherwise?

Or are you lying and distorting...again?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:35 PM
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112. Kerry Attacks *not only* Hillary...but Bill, as well!
Why do you have a problem telling the Truth ..I hope you realize telling half Truths is just as problematic as outright lying. Maybe you'll grow a conscience and do something to remedy this chronic pathology of yours.

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"Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, took aim at Hillary Clinton on Monday, saying her criticism of Barack Obama's stance on the Iraq war was "not founded on accuracy."

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"Kerry's spent much of the interview taking Clinton to task for her recent, more aggressive criticism of Obama. Asked to respond to Clinton's contention that Obama has been more rhetoric than substance on Iraq -- speaking out against the war before entering the Senate, but voting for funding resolutions while in office -- Kerry said the attack was baseless. Yet he would not go so far as to compare it, as Sen. Dick Durbin has, to the "swift-boating" of his Vietnam war record in 2004."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/15/kerry-blasts-clinton-camp_n_81518.html

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:52 PM
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122. Seems like criticism to me, not attacking. Maybe you should learn the difference.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 07:53 PM by Kerry2008
Fair Criticism=

Hillary Clinton saying her healthcare plan is better because it covers all Americans, and Obama's could leave up to 15 million without healthcare.

Hillary Clinton suggesting she has more experience in bringing out change as opposed to talking about and hoping for change.

Attacks=

Hillary Clinton bringing up a kiddie essay from Obama's past to suggest he's been running for President since a kid, and suggesting he's an opportunist.

Hillary Clinton's campaign and it's surrogates bringing up Obama's past drug use.

See the difference? Most of the time criticism is on base with the issues, and goes to show the contrast between the person giving the criticism and the person receiving it. And attacks generally are aimed for the gut, and are the kind of dirty politics we'd see from Karl Rove.

You know? The kind you guys promote at Hillaryis44.

Criticism is what Kerry gave of the Clintons.

And not attacks, like bringing up drug use and kiddie essays like the Clinton and company have engaged in.

And then Kerry gave some kind words about Hillary, even though she stabbed him in the back when he made a botched joke, just to eliminate him as a contender in 2008!
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:41 PM
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98. no I don't think so.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 05:07 PM
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109. What would they be running for?
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toughboy Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 06:35 PM
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113. No
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