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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:42 PM
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What this nation has become: BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON
Or--
Did Clinton's Impeachment help give us Bush in the 2000 Election?

Did we really experience 8 years of hell partially due to the Clinton legacy?

If so, why in the hell are we indicating that we want Clintons back in the white House?

Are we out of our cotton pickin' minds? :crazy:

In 2000, Morality was mentioned most frequently by Republicans as the "single most important problem" facing the nation.<36> Therefore during his campaign Bush frequently referred to restoring moral integrity not only to the White House but to the nation as a whole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

Perhaps the most important, but seldom mentioned, factor in the outcome was the impact of the Clinton scandals. 68% of voters thought Clinton would go down in history more for his scandals than for his leadership. 44% said that the scandals were somewhat to very important and 57% thought the country to be on the wrong moral track.

- In short, the individual who did the most harm to Gore (aside from himself) was Bill Clinton. If Gore could have distanced himself from the Clinton moral miasma he would probably be president today.

- Clinton hurt in other ways, most notably in the damage his administration did to other Democratic officeholders, again something Democrats don't want to face.

During the Clinton administration, Democrats lost over 1,200 state legislative seats. Further, the Democrats lost control of 9 legislatures and for the first time since 1954 the GOP controlled more state legislatures than the Democrats.

In addition, the GOP won almost more than 40 seats in the House, 8 in the Senate, 11 governorships and 439 Democratic officeholders switched to the Democratic Party. Only three Republicans went the other way.

In short, the Clinton administration was a disaster for the Democrats.
http://prorev.com/green2000.htm

IS THIS THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO?



"Modern politics seems to require and reward some capacities that I don't think I have in abundance such as a tolerance for spin rather than an honest discussion of substance.

Apparently, it comes easily for some people, but not for me.....The sighs, the sighs, the sighs. Within 18 hours, they had turned perception around to where the entire story was about me sighing. And that's scary. That's scary." --Al Gore
http://ostroyreport.blogspot.com/2007/09/gore-speaks-out-on-2000-election-would.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:44 PM
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:45 PM
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2. Only to ignoramuses who think the two are equivelent...
Absolutely DUMBEST argument against electing someone...and that is a bar that is set pretty damn low!!!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:49 PM
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12. I don't necessarily agree with the OP, but it's fair to rally against Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.
It's certainly not the worst case used against Hillary here on DU.

Personally, I would like to see Edwards or Obama as the nominee.

But god knows if Hillary wins the nomination, she's ten times better than any of the GOP candidates. And I'll gladly support her, donate to her, and volunteer on behalf of her.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:54 PM
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15. That is just so silly. * doesn't shine a candle to HRC. And *
did nothing for his dad but political dirty work ... Hillary was always the brainier.

Feh.
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:45 PM
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3. don't jump the gun there frenchie
Clinton hasn't been elected yet and there's no longer any pretense of her being the inevitable nominee
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:45 PM
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4. We have real political talent in this country, outside of these two families--
I say we explore that further.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:48 PM
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8. That's why we have primaries and caucuses
I am not a Clinton supporter, but if the Democratic voters choose her, so be it.
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NWHarkness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:46 PM
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5. More GOP talking points
We need to stop letting the Republicans manipulate our nomination process. Why should I care what reason Republicans claimed they voted against Gore? They were going to vote against him no matter what.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:46 PM
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6. Let's just lynch the ***** and get it over with already.
*sigh*
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:48 PM
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7. Well to be fair it would be Bush, Clinton, Bush, Rodham
I'm sure there have been family dynasties that involved non-blood relatives in the past, but as far as I'm concerned Hillary is not a Clinton. I don't support her BTW, just pointing out the obvious.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:48 PM
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9. This one always pisses off her supporters
:popcorn:
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:48 PM
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10. every single american should have the right to run
for the presidency..
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:48 PM
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11. More like this ...............
Bush, Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and maybe Clinton

Vice Pres & Pres since 1980.

We do have other options. EDWARDS!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:51 PM
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13. Except for the Bush parts...
sounds pretty good to me.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:06 PM
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20. Sounds good to me.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:52 PM
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14. "If Gore could have distanced himself from the Clinton moral miasma..."
No, if Gore hadn't distanced himself from one of the best political speakers and fundraisers this country has ever seen, he might be president.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:57 PM
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18. Yea....right!
Hard to distance himself, considering that he was V-President.
:eyes:

Blame the victim, why don't ya? :shrug:
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:06 PM
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21. Clinton left office with the highest approval rating of any post-WWII president - 65%
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 04:07 PM by TwilightZone
Historical revisionism seems rather rampant around here.

If you don't think that Gore distanced himself from Clinton, you weren't paying very close attention. He did everything he could to pretend Clinton/Gore never existed. Huge mistake.

Source for AR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:08 PM
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24. That was my take too.
I thought it was generally accepted in hindsight that Gore distanced himself too much from Clinton in the 2000 election campaign.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:56 PM
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16. But think how many wingers will die when she takes office. I think it's God's plan.
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 03:56 PM by Perry Logan
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 03:57 PM
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17. Pathetic Obama supporters now using a Nader lover hit piece on Bill Clinton?
:rofl:

In 1994, the Dems in Congress got killed. Every election until 2002 afterwards they had net gains in Congress.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:04 PM
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19. Pathetic Americans that want the first woman President riding into office
on her lying ass husband coattails....
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:07 PM
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22. Your hate will destroy you. Relax.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:09 PM
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25. You called me "pathetic"........
You're the one that should take a "chill" pill.

I don't "hate" Hillary, She just ain't all that!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:12 PM
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27. No, I called you pathetic.
Your hit piece a day run against Hillary is making your fellow haters jealous.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:22 PM
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30. No I didn't.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:07 PM
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23. we're about 10 years and one person away
from having the only living presidents being named either Bush or Clinton.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:10 PM
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26. oh but isn't is good that when a bush screws up the country we
have a clinton that will be there waiting to clean up their mess.....
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:12 PM
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28. I'm issuing you a challenge, Frenchiecat
This is the second time I've seen you use the "Clinton caused Democratic losses" meme. I'd like you give you the opportunity to prove that charge. Can you?
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 04:16 PM
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29. But, but, but, but Americans like royalty.
Sorry, but to me Dynasty was a television show from the 1980s not an American political policy.
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Lou Syffire Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:24 PM
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31. I kinda like the young one's chances in that pic
You fight strong, for a man you have not met. The young will always take over. It's natural law.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:27 PM
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32. Off topic, but is that a mask Laura Bush wears?....
...her expression never changes.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:29 PM
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33. With Jeb in the wings to make it Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton/Bush from 1980 to 2024.
Forty-four years. Why have elections. There are only two families in the entire nation that should ever govern.

Get in line. And how dare you offer such a question.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 07:58 PM
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34. Great post!
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:03 PM
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35. Jeb Bush after the queen?
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 08:03 PM by Nimrod2005
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:07 PM
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36. Agree
enough Bush's and Clinton's I can't stand to see them holding down the presidency again. :puke: I wish we could get someone in who wouldn't be so polarizing, someone who can put partisanship aside and think of the good of the country for a change.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 08:41 PM
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37. Did Clinton's Impeachment help give us Bush in the 2000 Election
I always thought it was the Supreme Court...


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Run against the Clinton legacy if you think that will help. I think it's a foolish strategy for the Obama supporters to take. Most people look back on those eight years of peace and prosperity with a good deal of fondness. The only people I remember complaining were Republicans and the far left. Is that who the Obama camp really wants to associate themselves with?
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