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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:27 PM
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Hillary Supporters: PLEASE help me!
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:28 PM by democrat2thecore
I am desperately trying to figure out the "35 years of experience" Senator Clinton keeps saying she has. Could ANY of you do the math for me and show that "35 years of experience." I am serious. I don't get it, it doesn't add up and maybe I'm missing something. This has been a major theme for the senator. Surely somebody can show me the math behind this claim?

Note: I posted this in the debate thread after she said it (again) and had no takers. But, it was a fast-moving thread and maybe the wrong time to ask. But now, surely somebody can add up the years and show me the chronology of the 35 years?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:29 PM
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1. just off the top of my head 60-35, 25, was she in law school? i think she...
did pro-bono work for children and when did she work on watergate? i could be wrong. and she hasn't stopped since.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:31 PM
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2. See, pro-bono work is a good thing, unless you're Hillary.
:sarcasm:
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 PM
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3. Don't fall for this flame-bait. Her record stands for itsself. nt
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 PM
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7. I agree.
Hillary has a strong record and it will stand for itself.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:34 PM
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11. It is NOT flame-bait. This is a MAJOR theme in her campaign
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:34 PM by democrat2thecore
Yet, I have never seen anyone tally up those 35 years. It's easy to not answer the question and just claim "flaim-bait," but that's NOT what this question is. I really want to know.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:42 PM
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22. That's the year she graduated law school
"She received a Juris Doctor degree from Yale in 1973,<8> having spent an extra year there in order to be with Clinton.<44> Clinton first proposed marriage to her following graduation, but she declined at the time.<44> She began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center.<45> Her first scholarly paper, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review in late 1973<46> and became frequently cited in the field.

Marriage and family, law career and First Lady of Arkansas

A key decision

During her post-graduate study, Rodham served as staff attorney for Edelman's newly founded Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts,<47> and as a consultant to the Carnegie Council on Children.<48> During 1974 she was a member of the impeachment inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.<49><50> Under the guidance of Chief Counsel John Doar and senior member Bernard Nussbaum,<32> Rodham helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.<50> The committee's work culminated in the resignation of President Richard Nixon in August 1974.<50>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Just start HRC's biography in 1973 & go from there. She did an incredible amount from a very early age.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:59 PM
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28. Out of law school as a new Lawyer she worked for the Children's Defense Fund 35 years ago
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:34 PM
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13. oh. :D. i thought it was a real question.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 PM
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5. It still doesn't add up
If every presidential candidate claimed their law work and charity work as experience for the presidency - the word "experience" wouldn't mean a damn thing would it?

She's obviously including all the years of campaigning for Bill's Failed congressional bid, her campaigning for Bill's gubernatorial runs, First Lady in Little Rock and First Lady in Washington. How does ANY of that add up to "35 years of experience" to prepare her for the presidency?

Anyone?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 PM
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10. she's saying 35 years working to better peoples lives...
while first lady in ARK she worked on extending healthcare for low income people, worked on changing the school system, etc.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:32 PM
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4. Two senate terms, three decades of professional activism/advocacy as a lawyer
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:12 AM
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34. no. 1 full Senate term and 1 year of a 2nd 6 year term.
That in NOT two Senate terms. Three decades of activism some of which counts as experience that's relevant to being prez and some of which is not.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 PM
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6. "I posted this in the debate thread after she said it (again) and had no takers." Funny...
It's asked almost daily and I answer it when I see it.

Education

Wellesley College where she majored in political science.
Yale Law School, where she served on the Board of Editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action.

Political Activist Experience

Pragmatic Liberal

Always fascinated by radicalism, she wrote her senior thesis on a great radical organizer of poor people, Saul Alinsky of Chicago. Though when she was offered a job by Alinsky, after she wrote about him, and she turned him down--because she didn't think he was effective enough. She said to her boyfriend at that timebe in politics you have to win. And it didn't look to her like Alinsky was winning enough of his battles. She came to question his methodology and concluded in her thesis that larger government programs and funding were needed, not just community action at the grass roots.

She was the commencement speaker at Wellesley in 1969, chosen by her fellow students--there had never been a student commencement speaker there before. The scheduled speaker was Sen. Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, who Hillary had campaigned for, a Republican, the first black to be a member of the U.S. Senate in a hundred years. In his remarks he was patronizing, Hillary thought. He seemed to defend the Nixon administration's conduct of the war, and didn't mention the wrenching events of 68. When he finished, Hillary got up and extemporaneously excoriated him. As a result of that speech, she was featured in Life magazine as exemplary of this new generation of student leaders. They ran a picture of her in pedal pushers and her Coke-bottle glasses. That article made her well known in the student movement in the U.S.

She monitored the Black Panther trial in New Haven. She monitored the trial to see if there were any abuses of the rights of the Panthers on trial, and helped schedule the monitors. Her reports were turned over to the ACLU.

1971: Senator Walter Mondale's subcommittee on migrant workers, researching migrant problems in housing, sanitation, health and education.

Political Campaign Experience

1964 In high school, volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater.
1968 New Hampshire, Eugene McCarthy primary challenge to LBJ.
1972 Campaigned in the western states for 1972 Democratic presidential candidate George McGovern
1976 Jimmy Carter Presidential race, served as an Indiana campaign coordinator.

*** The Clinton Campaigns (Bill Clinton has stated Hillary played pivotal roles in his campaigns)***

1974 Bill Clinton's Congressional race (Lost)
1976 Bill Clinton's Attorney General race (Won)
1978 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1980 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (L)
1982 Bill Clinton's Governor's Race (W)
1992 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
1996 Bill Clinton's Presidential Race (W)
2000 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)
2006 Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign (W)

Legal Experience

1969 Truehaft, Walker and Bernstein in Oakland, one of the most liberal law firms in the country. They defended the Panthers.
1970 Yale University - city legal services, provided free legal advice for the poor.
1971 Staff attorney, Children's Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts
1971 Carnegie Council on Children, legal consultant.
1974 Impeachment Inquiry staff in Washington, D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal.
1974 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville School of Law - One of only two female faculty members.
1976 Rose Law Firm. In 1979, she became the first woman to be made a full partner.
1976 Worked pro bono on child advocacy.
1978 Jimmy Carter appoints Clinton to the board of the Legal Services Corporation.

She was twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America, in 1988 and in 1991.

First Lady of Arkansas

1979 Chaired the Rural Health Advisory Committee
1979 Introduced the Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
1982 - 1992 Chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee

* She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.

* Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977.

* Served on the boards of the Arkansas Children's Hospital Legal Services (1988-1992)and the Children's Defense Fund (as chair, 1986-1992)

* Corporate board of directors of TCBY (1985-1992),Wal-Mart Stores (1986-1992), and Lafarge (1990-1992)

First Lady of the United States of America

"She's very smart ... people rightly give her credit for having been a participant in the Clinton administration and for doing some heavy lifting on issues." Barack Obama, speaking of Hillary Clinton's White House experience and contradicting Obama supporters - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 8/22/07


When asked about his wife's role in his administration in August of 2000, President Bill Clinton said "She basically had an unprecedented level of activity in her present position over the last eight years.''


1993 First to bring a serious universal healthcare plan to be considered by the US Congress
1997 Helped develop the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997

The First Lady led the effor on the Foster Care Independence bill, to help older, unadopted children transition to adulthood. She also hosted numerous White House conferences that related to children's health, including early childhood development (1997) and school violence (1999). She lent her support to programs ranging from "Prescription for Reading," in which pediatricians provided free books for new mothers to read to their infants as their brains were rapidly developing, to nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses. She also supported an annual drive to encourage older women to seek a mammography to prevent breast cancer, coverage of the cost being provided by Medicare.

Hillary Clinton was the only First Lady to keep an office in the West Wing among those of the president's senior staff. While her familiarity with the intricate political issues and decisions faced by the President, she openly discussed his work with him, yet stated that ultimately she was but one of several individuals he consulted before making a decision. They were known to disagree. Regarding his 1993 passage of welfare reform, the First Lady had reservations about federally supported childcare and Medicaid. When issues that she was working on were under discussion at the morning senior staff meetings, the First Lady often attended. Aides kept her informed of all pending legislation and oftentimes sought her reaction to issues as a way of gauging the President's potential response. Weighing in on his Cabinet appointments and knowing many of the individuals he named, she had working relationships with many of them.

She persuaded Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin to convene a meeting of corporate CEOs for their advice on how companies could be persuaded to adopt better child care measures for working families.

With Attorney General Janet Reno, the First Lady helped to create the Department of Justice's Violence Against Women office. One of her closest Cabinet allies was Secretary of State Madeleine Albright. Following her international trips, Hillary Clinton wrote a report of her observations for Albright. A primary effort they shared was globally advocating gender equity in economics, employment, health care and education.

During her trips to Africa (1997), Asia (1995), South America (1995, 1997) and the Central European former Soviet satellite nations (1997, 1998), Hillary Clinton emphasized "a civil society," of human rights as a road to democracy and capitalism.

The First Lady was also one of the few international figures at the time who spoke out against the treatment of Afghani women by Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.

One of the programs she helped create was Vital Voices, a U.S.-sponsored initiative to promote the participation of international women in their nation's political process. One result of the group's meetings, in Northern Ireland, was drawing together women leaders of various political factions that supported the Good Friday peace agreement that brought peace to that nation long at civil war.

Hillary Clinton was also an active supporter of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), often awarding its micro-loans to small enterprises begun by women in developing nations that aided the economic growth in their impoverished communities. Certainly one of her more important speeches as First Lady addressing the need for equal rights for women was international in scope and created controversy in the nation where it was made: the September 1995 United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, China.

Senator From New York

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.

She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.

She has championed legislation to bring broadband Internet access to rural America.

She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income and working families.

She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.

She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.

She's working for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

She's worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.

Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning. Her fight with the Bush Administration ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.

She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.

Senate Armed Services Committee

Subcommittees:

* Airland
* Emerging Threats and Capabilities
* Readiness and Management Support

Senate Committee on Environment & Public Works

Subcommittees:

* Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health (Chair)
* Subcommittee Clean Air and Nuclear Safety
* Subcommittee on Transportation and Infrastructure

Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor & Pensions

Subcommittees:

* Children and Families
* Employment & Workplace Safety




Sources:

Wikipedia
Firstladies.org
Alternet
hillaryclinton.com
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:37 PM
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17. (whistle) democrat2thecore! You have a taker...
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:37 PM
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18. Best response so far
Edited on Tue Jan-15-08 11:38 PM by democrat2thecore
Yet, to be honest, a lot of women have the experience of activism and First Lady. They didn't/ are not running for president.

But - I'll consider the question answered. I really wanted to know. Thanks for taking the time and responding.

edit spelling. Thanks again!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:40 PM
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20. "a lot of women have the experience of activism and First Lady." Really???
I only know five who can realistically claim that.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:45 PM
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23. Since when has First Lady been considered experience to be president?
Just the thought would have been absurd not THAT many years ago. Mamie Eisenhower? Jackie Kennedy? Lady Bird Johnson? Pat Nixon? Betty Ford? Rosalynn Carter? Nancy Reagan? Barbara Bush?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:50 AM
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29. Not all first ladies are "created equal".
Not all first ladies are "created equal". Hillary Clinton is no Laura Bush, and Eleanor Roosevelt was no Mamie Eisenhower.

Read my signature line.

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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:39 PM
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19. Not enough! More details needed!
:sarcasm:

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Thanks, that's an excellent summary that I will mark and use in the future.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:46 PM
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24. I think you miss the point
Sure she has a fine resume. Most people of accomplishment have fine resumes.

But that is different from her claim that she has some unique qualifications of "experience" for the presidency that is exclusive to her.

Being First Lady of Arkansas is not an accomplishment otehr than marrying a guy who became governor. And most First Ladies of states get involved in causes. Not a bad thing, but nothing that lifts her head and shoulders above everyone else.

Likewise about being First Lady of the US. Sure she did a fine job as First Lady. So did Nancy Reagan.

Likewise about being a Senator. Heck compared to Dodd and Biden, she's a freshman slacker.

Do the years at the Rose Law firm count in those 35 years of public service experience?

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:53 AM
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30. right. The point is 'experience' doesn't mean 'experience' if Hillary has it
But that is different from her claim that she has some unique qualifications of "experience" for the presidency that is exclusive to her.

But she does. How many other intimately involved first ladies are running for President?

Likewise about being First Lady of the US. Sure she did a fine job as First Lady. So did Nancy Reagan.

What policies did Nancy Reagan, in the words of Barack Obama, work on?
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:09 AM
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33. To give Nancy and Barb their due...
Nancy tried to focus on drug abuse (but was so unsuccessful that three of the four people at our Trivial Pursuit game didn't know she had went on TV saying "Just Say No"...)

And Barbara, despite her not wanting to trouble her "beautiful mind" with body bag counts, did quite a bit of work with literacy campaigns.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:13 AM
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35. they were were spokespeople
Which of those appeared before Congress to promote a major piece of legislation she helped author? Which one has other Senators giving her credit for 'heavy lifting' on issues and for helping move legislation forward? Which one debated women's rights with a world leader?
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:14 AM
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36. I was being somewhat sarcastic... n/t
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:15 AM
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37. oops! Sorry... there's people here who would actually take that line of debate on the subject.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:47 PM
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25. Thank you for the information. Very impressive. n/t
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 PM
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8. A very good post on it by another DU'er
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:33 PM
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9. Im still trying to figure out how Edwards has been fighting for his cause for 54 years as he claimed
"I've been fighting against this for 54 years."

John must have been very advanced in his youngest years. lol
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:35 PM
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14. lol -- gmta
:rofl: Feisty little baby, wasn't he?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:49 PM
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27. He could have done very well as a corporate lawyer
But he chose to go into a field of law that does defend average folks against powerful big interests.

Sure he got rich in the process. But he probably could have gotten just as rich -- and had a more stable source of income -- if he had decided to use his skills on the other side of the table, helping corporations beat up on the rest of us or crafting new loopholes for them.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:34 PM
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12. Read her bio. Start in 1973 if you want to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_clinton

I'm still wondering how Edwards has 54 years' experience!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:36 PM
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15. Go here:
It lays things out pretty well. You can find more at her website and through websearches:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:36 PM
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16. I'm in another profession, but count "experience" as the working years since
completing the degrees. I believe that is typical practice for attorneys, too.

'fess up, now. That's not an innocent question, is it? LOL.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:42 PM
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21. It's like Obama saying he has foreign policy experience because he lived in Jakarta as a tender tot.
:evilgrin:
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-15-08 11:48 PM
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26. I'm the OP and thank you, wyldwolf, for a detailed response
I might not agree that it all adds up to experience to become president, but it answered my question - and I appreciate it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:55 AM
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31. if you don't agree it adds up to that kind of experience, then Obama must really look...
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 05:56 AM by wyldwolf
...underqualified. And John Edwards as well.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:03 AM
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32. may I suggest Library Of Congress..
Google..Or... Her website..Please ?
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