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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:23 AM
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Would it be OK for Obama surrogates to constantly bring
up Bill's perjury or sexual pecadillos? I mean, Clinton surrogates are constantly bringing up Obama's youthful drug use, and many Clinton supporters here, either defend it as legit or say that it's "small potatoes". So you guys presumable would have no problem with Obama's surrogates reminding people of the scandals generated by Bill that caused so much pain to this country, right? No? Then don't stick up for Clinton surrogates when they start reminding people that Obama experimented with drugs as a young person.

(and yes, I know that ONE Obama aide did bring up Bill's history to a reporter. That was wrong and I condemn it)
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:28 AM
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1. I prefer they concentrate on the future
Bill's indescretions weren't Hillary's fault, and Obama's youthful indescretions were no worse than what most of us here did in our youth.

We have two great candidates in Hillary and Barack, and I hope they both wind up on a ticket in some capacity!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:30 AM
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2. That would be nice
but I just read several comments defending bringing up Obama's drug use. And this is hardly the first time. Prominent Clinton supporters keep bringing this up. I'm just trying to hold up a mirror here.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:32 AM
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3. I think you need to relook at your comparison.
I consistently see you speaking out against sexism in this campaign, and I always appreciate that. I think you missed the mark here, though. Examining a candidate is not equivalent to examining a candidate's husband.

I am saying this as someone who really doesn't care at all about Obama's drug use however many years ago - unless he's been talking about needing to lock up first offenders for life or some other hypocritical stance that excuses and privileges himself above other people.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:35 AM
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4. It's all just sleazy. I'm not suggesting Obama should do this
I make it clear that I don't support that. I'm suggesting that defending Clinton surrogates for bringing this up repeatedly, is wrong. And Obama supports changing mandatory minimums and doing away with disparities in coke/crack sentencing, as well as other reforms re drugs and criminal justice.
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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:38 AM
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5. If I had to guess, I'd say Hillary used drugs in her youth
We know Bill did. If this is how the Clintons want to play, maybe it's time to start asking those questions.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:39 AM
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6. They tried Cali. Remember when they went to the press and
asked when the press was going to start focusing on Bill's infidelity?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:41 AM
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8. Can we get a source on that one?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:41 AM
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18. it is common knowledge
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:38 PM
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28. I didn't see it..so it can't be
that common.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:48 AM
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9. I mentioned that in my OP and condemned it. I also noted it happened ONCE
Hillary's crew has done the drug thing several times. it's now a pattern. That's NOT true of Obama's campaign. And I haven't seen you condemn it, as I've condemned the ONE aide who tried to dredge up Bill's indiscretions. I gather you think it's fine.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:53 AM
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12. I honestly think that when something happens attacking Clinton
it is a rogue supporter who is not authorized by Obama--even when sending out professional fliers.

I think there is a double standard when it comes to Clinton: everyone should be fired. Even people that are not even in her campaign.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:05 AM
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15. How I love the questions you've asked in other posts.
You don't bring up negative things about Hillary's spouse. YOU would never do such a thing. You would just pose detail questions.

What you don't realize, however, is how transparent your questions are.

If I were asked, I would tell some posters to try to pull their nose out of Clinton's zipper. But I have not been asked. And, of course, I would never every say that to you.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:41 AM
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7. If Hillary wrote a book and confessed to drug use, would the GOP be polite and never mention it?
That dog won't hunt.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:50 AM
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10. I have no idea nad neither do you.
Typical that you'd defend anything that her camp does. Anything. I find that kind of adulation disturbing. Oh and the comparison is completely apt.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 08:51 AM
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11. We're not talking about the GOP, we're talking about Democrats.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:46 AM
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19. No, you're not. Becuase no Democrat is "constantly bring up drugs" The OP is a Fairy Tale.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:14 PM
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23. Shaheen, Rangel, Johnson
oooh, no pattern there.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:39 PM
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29. bob kerry, bill clinton,
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 12:42 PM by zidzi
mark penn.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:00 AM
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13. Let them
Bill isnt running
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:00 AM
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14. That's OK with me.
Because I'll tell you what- - everything you try to bash Hillary with will be picked up by the corrupt republicans and they will try to run with it.

So, go ahead and show off all you want. Knock yourself out.

But please please please don't come back here sniveling like you do, about how so unfair other surrogates should they choose to say negative things about your candidate's lovely spouse.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:07 AM
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16. Your garbled post is
indicative of your having a reading comprehension problem. Try again. And of course, you pull things right out of your rear end. I've never sniveled about my candidates wife. I'm not a Clinton supporter. I don't snivel. And you demonstrate the double standard so many Clinton supporters proudly tout.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 09:09 AM
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17. But I was not posting that you sniveled about your candidate's wife.
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 09:10 AM by Maribelle
You just snivel.

It appears your reading comprehension is not your forte. No wonder you're confusing the whole thing.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:10 PM
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22. Did you miswrite or just misthink?
Here's what you posted:

But please please please don't come back here sniveling like you do, about how so unfair other surrogates should they choose to say negative things about your candidate's lovely spouse.

While I can certainly understand ANYONE ELSE being confused by what you wrote, I cannot believe that you, yourself cannot understand it.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:31 PM
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25. "should they choose to say negative things" is the key here ...
expressing the chance of a future likelihood.

I have never seen -or- posted, ever, that other surrogates had already said negative things about the candidate's lovely spouse.


However I am saying that the poster snivels.


So should other surrogates come out with stuff like the OP asks regarding the Clinton's, the OP author should not snivel again as they do already over other stuff.

This is not rocket science.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 03:04 PM
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31. If you can't see the disconnect, I give up, I suppose.
Please don't reply - Cali is not the only one having difficulties understanding your posts.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:46 AM
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20. That Would Be Great If They Did
That would ensure her nomination...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 10:47 AM
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21. It's wrong to bring in the spouse.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:18 PM
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24. Bill isn't running and neither is Michelle.
And George Bush did drugs and booze until he was FORTY ONE!
Frankly, I couldn't care less about what any of the candidates themselves did as children, teenagers, or young adults. I do care about how they're going to fix the mess the Republicans have made of this country.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:36 PM
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26. hillary and company dare
anyone from the Obama camp to bring up bill's past..they'll try and turn that back on him in a New YOrk second..with the m$$$$$$m help of course. No, that will all be saved if per chance hillary bad mouth's Obama to the general and then the long knives will come out for her.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:36 PM
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27. Bill Clinton is running again?
I thought we had a 2-term limit for President in this country?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:44 PM
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30. No, bill's just out there telling the
country what a fairy tale kid the Senator from Ilinois is. And how he was against the War On Iraq from the beginning..you know, the same ol lies.
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