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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:38 AM Original message |
There was an organized CAMPAIGN to get people to vote "Uncommitted" against Hillary in Michigan |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. Conyers has gone downhill in my eyes |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes, I agree with you. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:55 AM Original message |
Obama came out days after to say comments were NOT racial-He let it stew-let |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
54. because he is not a Leader |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
62. So, Obama is now responsible for apologizing when people on the other side shoot |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
49. But it was okay for Clinton to snub the party |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. So agree, did she snub the DNC? |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
81. In this case, I agree with him. Though I support Hillary. |
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fletcherwalker (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. The Dalai Obama using dirty tricks and race baiting???? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Want to be specific about the "race baiting" you claim |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. He confirmed the memo that his campaign |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I keep hearing about the memo--but to my knowledge, no one has posted it. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Huffington had it posted, |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. That link was dead -right after it was posted. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I'll try to find it, |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
65. "politico" is short for "propaganda office" |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
53. I just took the text of the memo from HuffPo |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. It was a listing of Clinton camp punches at Obama in the media - re racial politics |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes, |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. It's a matter of opinion who was first or last stirring the racial politics pot |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. He kept the fire buring, |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Enjoy your day, Sea |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. You too WD |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
33. diaper |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. The dislike of Clinton is a big problem for her |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Not really. It is a real problem for those that hate her. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
29. That Was Beautiful |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. The results so far, seem to prove you right. |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Maybe not hate but disappointed |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. and when she tries, the media mocks her (for the most part) |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
35. A lot of it isn't dislike for her, but a dislike of the manipulating Party machine. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. IMHO |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Last count I saw Clinton was leading in 58% of delegates when your |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Oh good, |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Good thing you like the "party machine" |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #48 |
84. So do you support elections? or no? nm |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. There is no way it was spontaneous. I agree. |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. The real story here is that she won anyway. nt |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Exacly. 40% for Obama + edwards both - not so much to write home about |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. Answer this smarty. Which candidate(s) supporters were more likely to stay home yesterday? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
9. so when is john conyers gonna actually ENFORCE his phoney subpoenas? nt |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. he sure has changed, in my eyes, since he was holding hearings in the basement. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #9 |
36. Where are all the investigations? I want results. nm |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
11. I find it hilarious that the same people who spent days demanding that people "vote uncommitted"... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
12. Wow...people really organize and encourage particular votes |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Organizing is NOT the issue here--but the reasoning they used--they took advantage |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
13. once again.. |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Hillary Clinton is the ONLY major name on the ballot, and urging uncommitted votes ... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #21 |
43. It was THE ONLY campaigning going - so yeah...Anyway, it got 40% - congrats |
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GigiMommy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
15. You know... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. yes, I have heard many people were angry about the playing going on. sorry to |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
17. I live in Michigan |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. well, Conyers jumping on the bandwagon must have drawn many in. Just saying |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. He drew in many people WHO REALLY PAY ATTENTION. Most people don't. |
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RichGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
18. They all use surrogates. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
22. If That Is True People Should Be Ashamed Of Themselves |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
45. And then the crowing "she almost got defeated by "oh, please god no" |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
27. The All Powerful Conyers did the Vulcan Mind Meld to The Uncommitted |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. funny---but, in the end--He does have poliitcal influence |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. I respect him enough to have considered his words myself - but as no campaigning |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. If Hillary had done like the other candidates, this would not be an issue |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. It would even if you perceived she did. Everything in the world is a set-up by her |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. the "iron my shirts" was a setup??? |
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Pathwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
78. That's a lie, and it's been proven so repeatedly. |
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lyonn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
73. Agree, why didn't she withdraw like the others? nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
28. Wow. Slimy. |
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TriMetFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
34. It really does not matter... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
38. And they still only mustered 40% ! So, there was campaigning after all! |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Yes, |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
39. ACTUALLY...they were urging people to vote "uncommitted" to protest the primary |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
52. GOP-ers in NJ in 2000 were calling Corzine voters to remind them to vote - at 2 AM! |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
47. "Uncommitted" response to unhappy voters |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Dirty tricks are dirty tricks, chicken/egg dillema nothwithstanding. |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I voted Kucinich |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
63. This was a grassroots campaign.... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
67. wwaahhhhhh!!!!! |
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BringBigDogBack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
68. sounds like excuses, excuses... |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
70. ruggerson, Senator Clinton got 60% of the vote...Obama and Edwards got ZERO, NADA, HIHIL, ZIP, SQUAT |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. 60%? Provide a link or admit you are lying. nt |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yup, I know as you know it was more like 55. |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. And Obama got what? A big fat ZERO...which is more than he deserves... |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Do you admit you were lying? Or are my eyes deceiving me? |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
80. So much for the pledge not to campaign - let the surrogates do it instead. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
82. i got that suggestion from several email lists i'm on.... |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-16-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
83. What part of MI are you in? I didn't see any campaign |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-17-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
85. Nothing at all wrong with organizing to stop Hillary from buying a nomination. |
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