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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:26 AM
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Zogby National Poll: Obama, Clinton tied in 2008 Democratic race
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Barack Obama has erased a once substantial deficit to climb into a virtual tie with Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential race, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.....

Clinton, a former first lady who would be the first woman U.S. president, held a 21-point edge over Obama in October. He cut that to 8 points by last month, and the new survey gave her a 39 percent to 38 percent edge.

Her 1-point lead was well within the poll's margin of error of 4.7 percentage points.

Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, and Clinton were essentially deadlocked among a variety of groups, including men, women, Democrats and independents. Obama led substantially, 65 percent to 15 percent, among black voters.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080116/ts_nm/usa_poll_politics_dc
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:26 AM
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1. Nice.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:34 AM
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2. Zogby, so wrong, so often, one wonders just who is writing
the check because Zogby delivers (Discount on anti-Clinton results) and from last week on why he had obama to win n.h. by 13 points: Zogby: I ain't got a f-ing clue what happened
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:41 AM
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4. You guys have something in common
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 11:41 AM by Bleachers7
Who's going to win Iowa again?
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:44 AM
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7. Um, so did everyone else
Not by the same numbers, but they were all wrong in NH.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:40 AM
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3. Zogby. chortle. worse than Rasmussen
eom
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:41 AM
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5. When the numbers don't suit your view.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:43 AM
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6. Is He Or Is He Not An Outlier?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:46 AM
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8. That's not the point.
The point is the promoting and bashing of pollsters based on the result that day.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:49 AM
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10. I Have Been Consistent.... Pollsters Can Just Be Wrong...Some Pollsters Are Just Inept... And Some
Pollsters Are Deliberately Misleading Or Biased...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:51 AM
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11. OK, I agree
:shrug:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:54 AM
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13. I'm Not Trying To Bully You Into Seeing Things My Way
My point is it's misleading to cherry pick polls, nothing more and nothing less...


PEACE
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:49 AM
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9. Visionary black dude or powerful white chick...
Either way, history is made and the Dems win!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 11:53 AM
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12. Au-men sister. You are soooooooooooo right.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:51 AM
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17. yeah...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:51 AM by indimuse
capitalizing on the "Obvious" The Dems could have had an Historical Landslide Victory for 16 years...there would have been absolutely NO WAY they ((RW))coulds win!!!!! Power in # would have been devistaing...The world would know we over came and we mean business on Healing All....
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 12:21 PM
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14. Get thee behind me, poll!
UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!!!!!



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rocknation

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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:15 AM
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15. Isn't it interesting that
They mention only the top 3 runners from the democrat's but name ALL of the runners from the Repug's?

The national survey had Republican Rep. Ron Paul at 4 percent and California Rep. Duncan Hunter at less than 1 percent.

Raebrek!!!
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:39 AM
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16. Meanwhile: "Pew Research Poll -Clinton 46% Obama 31% Edwards-13%"
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:40 AM by Perry Logan
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 07:58 AM
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18. ZOMG polls are always wrong!!! :crazy:
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 07:59 AM by Essene
1. there are descriptive surveys and poll methods from social science which can be extremely accurate about mapping beliefs, tastes and trends.

2. predictive surveys and polls are less accurate, because... well... humans arent newtonian objects.

But let's not be silly.

While predictive polls should not be taken too seriously, you can also see TRENDS when you take a lot of samples.

For example:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

I wouldnt count any one snapshot as the "truth," but taken together you can start to see trends.



PS. Zogby tends to do very well, honestly...
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