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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:30 PM
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Obama, the New Gary Hart?
WP political blog, "The Fix," by Chris Cillizza
Fix Pick: Obama, the New Gary Hart?

Regular Fix readers know we have long believed (and written) that the best -- and perhaps only -- way for Barack Obama to defeat Hillary Rodham Clinton is to turn his campaign from a traditional test between two candidates and into a movement in which a vote for the Illinois senator is a vote for something bigger. Following Obama's Iowa caucus victory, we thought that movement had begun. We even wrote a post from a packed New Hampshire event entitled: "The Movement Has Begun." Three days after we penned that post, Clinton defeated Obama in New Hampshire -- proving us and the rest of the political cognoscenti wrong.

Since then we've been re-examining our "Obama as Movement" frame and trying to figure out whether it is still operative or not. So, you can imagine our interest when we came across a piece written by Matt Bai of the New York Times entitled "A Candidate Not a Cause." Bai, as many of you no doubt already know, is one of the most perceptive writers about political trends working in the business today. His book -- "The Argument: Billionaires, Bloggers, and the Battle to Remake Democratic Politics" -- is terrific and, frankly, the story The Fix wanted to tell before Bai beat me to it.

In his piece on Obama, Bai notes that the inspirational pitch that rallied a wide swath of voters to the Illinois senator in Iowa fell somewhat flat in New Hampshire. "These weren't the kids in Iowa City," writes Bai. "They were taciturn New England parents, and perhaps they had a question they hoped to ask. Obama didn't take any, which was his habit for most of that final week in New Hampshire. He had a lead, and he was running out the clock."

Obama's loss and the relatively narrow swath of voters he won over (under 40, affluent and independent) created the real possibility that rather than becoming a genuine contender for the nomination, Obama could well ultimately wind up as a "classic liberal insurgent" in the vein of former Sens. Bill Bradley (N.J.) and Gary Hart (Colo.). "Liberal causes built on beautiful speeches and campus rallies never really win the nomination," writes Bai. "They just fade into noble lore, fondly remembered by that breed of Democrat who seems to view losing as a kind of moral validation."

Bai's advice to Obama? "Substantive speeches" and "interactive town halls" to allow voters to see the depth of the man, to get a glimpse behind the rhetoric. "If there is a lesson in those exit polls for Obama, it may be that inspiration will only get you so many voters," writes Bai. "The rest you have to convince."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/01/fix_pick_obama_too_much_moveme.html
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:33 PM
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1. I think Hart lost because of Donna Rice........
He was winning IIRC.......



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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:34 PM
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2. That was years later. Hart lost because he had no $$$$. n/t
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:51 PM
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6. That was a big part
He was definitely in contention for the 1988 nomination. He was a frontrunner, if not the frontrunner, when the Donna Rice thing broke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Hart#1988_presidential_campaign_and_the_Donna_Rice_affair
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:47 PM
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3. "Substantive speeches" from Obama and Axelrod? Good luck.
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 01:49 PM by 2rth2pwr

"He understands the African American community must see themselves in the candidate, not just their successes, but also their struggle," Brazile says. "And David gets that. I think he spends a lot of time on the basketball court with brothers, because he understands the language and how to connect."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/14/AR2007021401812_4.html

Obama, in his Senate race, used the well-worn phrase "Yes, we can!" as a rallying cry.

After Patrick employed the same phrase at a state Democratic Convention in 2005, a reporter alerted the campaign that it was Obama's signature line, and they went back to the drawing board, said Dan Payne, a Democratic strategist working for Patrick at the time. (Patrick would adopt "together we can" instead.)
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/?page=3
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:49 PM
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4. I'm not sure why you think that "Obama employs a speechwriter" is a convincing line of attack.
Every candidate has multiple.
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TokenWasp Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:52 PM
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7. Nothing wrong with employing a speechwriter....
...its just that Obama's don't seem to be able to write anything worth listening too (unless you enjoy empty rhetoric and hyperbole).
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:56 PM
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8. Ah, the two parallel anti-Obama lines of attack.
1. The only reason he's popular is that he has great speeches.
2. His speeches aren't very good.
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TokenWasp Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:37 PM
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11. His speeches are great...just not meaningful.
West Wing had great writers and was a great show - but it never sparked or even hinted at great policy inititives.

He does well with the crowd that is attracted to emotionalism - unfortunately that crowd cares during election year and doesn't pay attention the rest of the time.

"He sounds good - let's vote for him"
"But what did he say"
"Who cares, it got me excited enough to vote!"

Greeaaat.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:51 PM
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5. GE's aren't won on interactive town halls
If you can't inspire the herd, you can't win the GE.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 01:58 PM
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9. "The herd"?
Contempt really works with voters. They love knowing their candidate thinks of them as cattle.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 02:05 PM
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10. Probably good advice there
It seems that NH voters were saying they needed to here more details from Obama.
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