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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:41 PM
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Praising Regan is actually very insensitive to the GLBT community.
I mean, am I the only one who thinks this is a horrible thing to say to all those gay men who have lost their loved one from AIDS during the 80s?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:42 PM
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1. I lost a best friend to AIDS.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:42 PM
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2. ...
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:47 PM
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51. *hands babylonsister an aspirin*
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:43 PM
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3. You can put that right up there with Donnie MCclurkin!
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:43 PM
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4. Does anyone not think the Democrats voting are going to find....


it weird and disconcerting that Obama is having a serious love fest with Republicans and their ilk.

I'd run a mile.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:44 PM
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5. Reagan never let homicide get in his way.
9/11 probably happened because he was so bent on killing labor and privatizing public functions.

F#ck him. He was a disaster for this country.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:45 PM
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6. He wasn't praising Reagan
he was pointing out that Reagan was a transformational president because he managed to get the majority of the American electorate to support his initiatives. Obama was saying that that's what he believes he can do. He was in no way shape or form praising Reagan or his policies. I can't believe that people have such a hard time with reading comprehension.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:47 PM
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11. I know what he meant.
he was pointing out that Reagan was a transformational president because he managed to get the majority of the American electorate to support his initiatives. Obama was saying that that's what he believes he can do. He was in no way shape or form praising Reagan or his policies. I can't believe that people have such a hard time with reading comprehension.


I know exactly what he meant, you could have argued that Hilter was also very successful in mobilizing the German people to support his hate doctrine. I just don’t think it was a sensitive thing to say, and I think Obama’s problem is that he is not very sensitive to GLBT people and our issues.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:11 PM
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36. sigh.
over the top hyperbole.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:14 PM
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39. Then this is a pretty disengenous post
if you knew what he meant. Maybe you're just searching for any excuse to criticize Obama for anything.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:38 PM
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45. but he also said this
" I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing"
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:46 PM
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46. Oh look, another quote ready at hand
to make a far fetched attack of Obama. Looks like I was right.

What website did you cut and paste that from?

I personally have no problem with Obama arguing for clarity, optimism and a sense of dynamism.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:49 PM
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48. its on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaoYD7iZG9w&
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:19 PM
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43. Why didn't he cite FDR, or other Democrats like JFK, Jefferson, and Jackson instead?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:46 PM
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7. Reagan changed the country, that's the point
Hillary is not going to change it towards a more progressive self-image. Obama can.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:48 PM
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13. Yes he did, he ruined it and then comes Bill Clinton and puts it back together.
Shame on Obama!
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:14 PM
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40. "Put it back together."?
Seems to me like he finished the job.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:46 PM
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8. No one is praising Reagan.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:46 PM
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9. yes exceeding so.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:47 PM
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10. It offends me and I am not in the GLBT community.
I never been able to see what the man did for us. He was just an actor.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:48 PM
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12. Do you have a link, before you put on your war paint?
:shrug:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:49 PM
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15. The only person who would need a link is a person who does not know history.
Or a person who wants to try to rewrite it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:49 PM
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49. No, I found it....
the link with proof of Barack complimenting Reagan.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:49 PM
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14. Show me where Obama "praised reagan."
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:54 PM
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17. Well he wants to change the Country like Reagan,
I think that is praise.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:00 PM
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24. Yes, he wants to change the country. But not in the same way.
We need to get past inflammatory language.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:05 PM
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31. If you want Reagan style, you can have it.
I want no part of it and will not vote for Obama.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:08 PM
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33. I want a nominee who can win. Reagan did a fine job in that regard.
You're making the mistake of thinking Obama was praising Reagan's policies and ideology. He wasn't.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:09 PM
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35. Bill Clinton has a pretty good winning record, don't you think?
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:11 PM
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37. Through 'triangulation'
I prefer someone who will consistently represent progressive values.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:20 PM
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44. Obama said Bill Clinton's policies were progressive in his book
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:12 PM
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38. Show me where he said that?
C'mon, it should be easy.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:02 PM
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28. Put up a quote and let's see if you're correct.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:51 PM
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16. Yes, it is.
Regardless of whether you're talking about policy or "electoral strategy"
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:55 PM
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18. But it's true
Reagan's inaction on AIDS spurred the epidemic.

Say that Reagan had extensive effects on America doesn't mean that those effects were GOOD ones.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:57 PM
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19. Well, Bill Clinton doesn't agree


http://www.latimes.com/news/specials/obituaries/la-reagan,1,6264222.story?coll=la-home-headlines


Bill Clinton said, "He personified the indomitable optimism of the American people … America at the forefront of the fight for freedom."
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:57 PM
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20. I lost A LOT of patients to HIV/AIDS. No one dislikes Reagan more than me - BUT
we all need to recognize that Reagan transformed the Republican party and got a lot of Dems to cross over and vote for him. This has nothing to do with praise - Obama has the ability to bring those former Dems back and also get Independent and Republican votes. I see THAT as a good thing and that's the point.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:57 PM
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21. All he said was that Reagan was a transitional president that got the country behind him
It doesn't appear that he was praising all of what Reagan did or all that Reagan stood for, only the way Reagan was able to rally people behind him.

Which is why the Republican party has been looking for another Reagan ever since.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:58 PM
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22. Praising Clinton would be, too: DOMA and DADT.
Let's face it: American presidents haven't been that great. Clinton definitely was better on AIDS, but the science became clearer by then.

Obama was talking about how Reagan brought the country together; not his conservatism. Anyone who didn't have an agenda would get that. But no, let's just settle for a 50 plus 1 president, instead of someone who can get us broad support.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:03 PM
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29. braod support at what expense?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:15 PM
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41. Since Obama has an excellent gay rights record, I could imagine
at very little expense. He tends to state his principles clearly, but keeps things open for discussion. He won't sell gays out like Clinton definitely will. That is the thing that amazes me -- everyone wants to forget the actual record of the Clintons, while parsing every word Obama says. Past action, as in real legislative action, is the best predicter of future action. Do your homework, and vote accordingly.
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Tejanocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 04:59 PM
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23. After the Donnie McObama incident, do you really expect any different from Obama?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:00 PM
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26. Ugh. Clinton threw gays under the bus with real legislation!!!!
I think we all agreed that McClurkin was a gaffe by the Obama campaign. The fact that everyone has turned it into Obama being anti-gay reeks of agenda, not sincerity.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:00 PM
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25. Praising Raygun for anything is sick n/t
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:02 PM
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27. If I were a repug, I would praise him for ushering-in a significant conservative shift
If our next Dem president could do the same for progressives, I would be happy.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:08 PM
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34. Me too n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:04 PM
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30. Well, isn't that special?
Edited on Wed Jan-16-08 05:04 PM by Kristi1696
It seems that how you read into statements depends entirely on who you support.

Although this really seems to be a stretch. I mean, if we're going to summarize an entire Presidency based upon its weakest moments, do I have to remind anyone about Clinton's impeachment?

Sweet Jesus, I'm just about done with this place. This has gotten ridiculous.
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:05 PM
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32. Praising Reagan is insensitive to the INTELLIGENT
The man was a lying, criminal SOB who deserved to be impeached AND imprisoned for Iran Contra. And now we want to PRAISE him because so many were taken in by his smooth talk?

This is disgusting.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:15 PM
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42. Speaking of
insensitivity
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 05:47 PM
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47. Gore praised Reagan ...
Gore praised Reagan at the Democratic convention in his nomination speech. I thought it was stupid and insensitive of him. It's wrong to praise Reagan who not only was a homophobe, but based his success on blatant racism, such as launching his Presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, known only as the place where three civil rights workers were murdered and making up lies about black "welfare queens."
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-16-08 06:10 PM
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50. Yes, it's very insulting
:mad:
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