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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:16 PM
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DailyKos diary: "I knew Reagan. Sen. Obama, You're No Reagan"
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:18 PM by beachmom
I knew Reagan. Sen. Obama, You're No Reagan

by wmtriallawyer

Thu Jan 17, 2008 at 11:20:45 AM PST

In all the hubbub about the Obama comments on Reagan, I decided to check out the whole interview myself and find out what was up.

It only took me a minute into the interview to realize that Sen. Obama is no Reagan.

Because Ronald Reagan would never say something like this:

We’ve had a federal government that has gotten worn down and ineffective during the course of the Bush Administration, partly because philosophically this administration did not necessarily believe in government as an agent of change. But it precedes the Bush Administration. I think that one of the missions I have as President is not to create a bigger government, but to restore some luster to the federal government and to recruit the best and the brightest and to say that service in the federal government is something that is critically important to the well-being of the American people...that is something I want to change...

I want to make government "cool" again.


Now, we can debate whether government was ever "cool", but that gets off the point. For all the handwringing about whether Obama is a right-winger in disguise, or parrots the right-wing talking points too much, you will never, ever, EVER hear a Republican saying they want to make government "cool" again.

Ya certainly never heard Reagan say that.

I'm here to say that when I heard Obama's words, I was proud. Because living here in the D.C. area, as a local government employee, married to a federal government employee, I can tell you right now: our government, our rank-and-file federal government worker, is pretty demoralized. I've heard stories already that if a Republican wins in '08, a lot of those smart, fresh, talented minds that work for our government absolutely BECAUSE, like OBAMA, they believed in it as a agent of change...well those folks will leave.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/17/142045/514/287/435007


Great read, and a unifying message.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:21 PM
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1. Written by a "trial lawyer" too.
Seriously, I'm a fan of his diaries. Thanks for crossposting :hi:
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:24 PM
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2. wow, something that cuts through the BS.
nice
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:25 PM
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3. So he listened to a minute of the interview?
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:40 PM
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5. No, he listened to the whole thing, which can be found here:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/VIDEO/80115026&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

Warning: lots of wonk, unlike all the sensationalism going around these parts.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:59 PM
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12. The interview is fantastic
and just a damn shame that a bunch of idiots would rather play political hack than discuss the interview on its merits.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:29 PM
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4. I might actually not be so swayed by the Reagan thing...
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 04:29 PM by redqueen
if it weren't for all those DLC talking points in his book.

Sorry.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:48 PM
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6. You will support Edwards who was DLC, who formed a group in the
Senate on behalf of the DLC. Obama was never DLC, but you won't support him. I don't try to convince anyone on my candidate, I figure we each make our own choices and I respect that, but the logic doesn't sit right.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:51 PM
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7. It boils down to whom do you trust.
Edwards has owned up to his mistakes.

Obama's stuff ("present" votes, Energy Act, Border Wall, DLC talking points in his book) just seems to keep piling up... :shrug:

Sorry that you don't think it's logical, but that's how I see it.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:54 PM
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8. Ha, ha, so you think these are equivalent?
Edwards' IWR vote = "DLC talking points" in Obama's book (allegedly)

Talk is cheap, and that is all Edwards has been about.


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:56 PM
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10. Like I said... Edwards owned up to his *mistake*. He said it was wrong.
I don't think Obama's disavowed his parroting of those talking points. If he has, that'd be great.


No need to insult Edwards by saying he's only about talk, is there? Why drag things down into the gutter?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:05 PM
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13. It does, I agree
I never believe a word John Edwards says and his stuff is well-piled up. If you look. But we don't have to see it the same way :hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:55 PM
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9. This manufactured brouhaha is just absurd.
But I do appreciate you trying to explain it to the unwashed horde here at DU.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 04:56 PM
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11. I love all the insults...
*sigh*
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 05:07 PM
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14. I'll raise you "You Sir, are No Ronald Reagan" from MY favorite blogger - it wasn't JUST the video!
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 05:08 PM by robbedvoter
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/you-sir-are-no-ronald-reagan-by-digby.html

"
I get that Obama is signaling that he sees this election as a game changing election like 1980. And he may very well be right about that. I hope so. But it's disconcerting to hear him casually recount these Republican arguments without a clear disclaimer, as if it's a matter of fact not opinion" more

There's more than a video interview. There are his books
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4090801&mesg_id=4092172
"The conservative revolution Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight--that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing he pie--contained a good deal of truth."
and also
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4087189&mesg_id=4087491

Nevertheless, by promising to side with those who worked hard, obeyed the law, cared for their families, loved their country, Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster."
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