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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:22 PM
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Obama is not campaigning for my vote.
By invoking raygun, he's campaigning for the conservative vote. You obamanites need to realize, he may win the nomination, but if he has to invoke RR, he's not going to win the presidency. What's he going to do? Move to the right of Huckabee?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:23 PM
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1. Get off it-your agenda is showing. You just claimed he's not a
Dem in another thread. Yawn.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:24 PM
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4. No agenda here other than not voting for reaganites.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:45 PM
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21. I don't think saying a few nice things makes him a Reaganite
or Edwards is too.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:25 PM
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5. If he has to invoke reagan, then no, he is not a dem. eom
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:31 PM
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9. Obama is not a Dem if likes the Reaganite ideas thar have set this country back 50 years
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:49 PM
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24. Raygun set in motion...
the justification for where we are today.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:02 PM
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29. Exactly. eom
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:05 PM
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32. He started the undoing of FDR's programs.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:32 PM
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10. He's a Lieberman dem.
meaning he's a republican.

I said we didn't know who he really was.

And now his mask is slipping.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:38 PM
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13. Ned Lamont who endorsed Obama doesn't think so.....
And I trust his judgement more than yours, anonymous person on board.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:40 PM
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15. Ned lost. eom
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:04 PM
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31. Bullshit. Your hate is showing - again. nt
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:23 PM
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2. Clinton invoked Reagan during the November debate
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:31 PM by Flabbergasted
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:27 PM
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6. She was my third choice. Now she's my second.
At least the clintons are a known quantity. Obama is an unknown who invokes RR. Not good in my book.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:32 PM
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Frankly...Of all the credible criticisms of the candidates this
ranks near last in the silly column.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:41 PM
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16. What if somebody is moderately well known, but invokes Gerald Ford?
Would that place them above or below Clinton?
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:45 PM
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20. Ford who?
I wish reagan was more like ford. lol

Reagan pretty much broke the new deal and allowed for the ushering in of W's new world order. Ford? He fell down alot.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:23 PM
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3. You didn't hear what Obama said will be his policies if he gets into office
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:25 PM by FrenchieCat
obviously.

Too bad. It's in the same interview with the Reagan quote in it.

Hillary isn't campaigning for my vote either. She's attempting to stop folks from voting,
but I guess you like that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:29 PM
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7. Yep, disenfranchising voters is A-OK! nt
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:29 PM
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8. Yep Obama's gonna be a "uniter" now where have I heard that before ?
Oh yeah. It was dumbo. And he kept his promise. He united the world against America.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:32 PM
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11. Kelli....
Don't you know, being a "bipartisan" panderer for votes, means there is nothing wrong in Obama Nation with invoking Ronald Reagan?

His glassy-eyed partisans see no problem at all.......scary, very scary....
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:36 PM
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12. Apparently they're all too young to remember Reagan n his hatred for
the poor people who contracted aids, which he considered only a homosexual disease and refused to declare it an epidemic or do anything about it.

And Reagan's anti-abortion stance - which Nancy almost went ballistic on.

Notice Obama hasn't said much about the abortion issue in his campaign but I remember reading somewhere he was anti-abortion....so another of his "present"
votes so he couldn't be held to anything.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:40 PM
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14. Unfortunatley, I dont have the luxury of being young and glassy eyed.
If this is Obama's substance. Then he will turn out to be democratic W and there will be just more of the same. WTF was he thinking? Reagan? What kind of dem invokes reagan as part of their presidential campaign? Answer: a dem doesnt invoke reagan.
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Omega3 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:43 PM
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18. His inexperience is showing,
he's going after the independent and dissatisfied Repukes and it's not working... very dangerous for him
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:47 PM
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22. Isn't there a D at the end of his name?
If he has to move to the right of huckabee to win, then he's already lost.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:42 PM
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17. Didn't Reagan change the direction of the country for the worse?
Obama called him a change agent and I agree. Obama and I may also agree the change was bad for average Americans - he didn't specify what kind of change agent. In fact, I suspect Obama would even call Hitler a change agent. Not all change is good.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:44 PM
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19. That is really the point, but we must not let sensibility get in the way of our
campaigning.

sarcasm
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:48 PM
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23. Isnt it sensible that a dem should not invoke raygun?
If he/she wants my vote they don't.

Fuck reagan, that was a generation ago. WTF was he thinking?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:52 PM
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25. Isn't it sensible that in discussion I might bring up the role Reagan has played
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 08:53 PM by Flabbergasted
on the political lanscape and how liberals might learn and even benefit from that?
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:57 PM
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26. The only thing you are going to learn from RR--
is how to screw the working and middle class people over. What you wanna talk about how raygun ushered in a conservative era that got a dem prez impeached over a blowjob or how satan's little helper became president?

If obama wants to talk about that in reference to RR, thats fine, otherwise, he should just call Rush Limbaugh up and ask him to be his running mate.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:00 PM
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27. Explain to me briefly what is to be admired of RR and his "role" eom
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:00 PM
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28. Ummmm.......yawn. nt
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:03 PM
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30. I thought Republicans were shallow and didn't listen
Man I'm surprised by how many Democrats are just like them. How about actually listening to what Barack said?
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