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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:35 PM
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ACLU Scorecard Scores of Presidential Candidates
ACLU Congressional Scorecard

Kucinich Lifetime score: 89%
Obama Lifetime score: 82%
Clinton Lifetime score: 75%
Edwards Lifetime score: 50%

GOP candidates lifetime scores for comparison:

McCain Lifetime score: 25%
Hunter Lifetime score: 3%

http://action.aclu.org/site/VoteCenter?page=voteList
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:44 PM
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1. Kooch's score doesn't surprise me a bit
That's one reason he's my candidate.
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:43 PM
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11. Same here.
Run Dennis Run!
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:38 AM
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23. Why does that remind me...
... of the jokes about the "Run Hillary Run" bumperstickers put on the front bumper of Republicans' cars....

*grin* I'm feeling cheeky today, sorry...

At least the ACLU shows one thing -- ANY of the Democrats we have the pleasure of choosing from can do a heckuva lot better than the Republicans!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:45 PM
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2. Obama scores better than Clinton? Mmm.. not surprised. :)
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:45 PM
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3. So much for the "Obama = Reagan" meme
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:08 PM
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7. But the swiftboaters don't want the truth
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:08 PM by usregimechange
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:47 PM
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4. stop posting facts
that's silly talk for people who think before they speak.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 08:50 PM
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5. Our lowest score is twice as much as their highest score nt
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:00 PM
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6. Most People I Know HATE The ACLU
so . whatever.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:49 AM
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13. What part of the Constitution don't they like?
The ACLU was founded to defend the First Amendment (and others) where they saw it was being violated. This is what they do, and rather consistently; they will defend the KKK's right to peaceful assembly, for example, even though they know if the Klan ever got into power, the ACLU would be the first to be shut down.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:55 AM
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15. how's about the part that says Larry Craig has the right to solicit sex ...
in a public rest room???
see, funny thing, that isn't in MY copy!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:38 AM
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24. That's not what the ACLU was about
and, as I said, they are consistent in defending freedoms, even if the acts they are defending are repugnant to others. They've also defended the pornography industry and atheists, groups that aren't always liked by the general public. But the question you have to ask is this: what part of the Constitution are you willing to give up so that these people you don't like are curtailed? Freedom of speech? Freedom of assembly? Right to privacy?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:53 AM
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28. What about freedom of speech? Freedom of assembly? Pursuit of happiness?
The right to keep and bare genitals?
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:35 PM
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36. Obviously, most of the people he knows hate their Freedoms.
Obviously, most of the people he knows hate their Freedoms.

Including the right to arm bears... :)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:09 AM
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17. Then you must be on the wrong board. nt
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:34 PM
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35. Most people I know LOVE the ACLU
Most people I know LOVE the ACLU.

So, again-- whatever.
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dominickdon Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:13 PM
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8. I would love to know how they determined that Edwards is against civil rights
half of the time.
Their methodology must be released.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:23 PM
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9. Must be based on those votes in the senate?
The ones that he now regrets. You think?
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:58 PM
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10. click on the ACLU links, but he did have very few votes to base this on
unlike Hillary.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:46 PM
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12. K&R thanks n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:50 AM
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14. Obama's "lifetime score" is what...five votes?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:04 AM
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30. Think, Perry. If he has an 82% vote rating, it obviously isn't based on five votes.
The smallest number that you can get to yield an 82% is 11.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:08 AM
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16. What is that exploding noise?
Oh. My. God! It's Edwards supporters attempting to apologize for his record in historic numbers.

:rofl:
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:11 AM
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18. I'd like to see other interest groups lifetime scores as well. Like NARAL and NOW.
ACLU is not the totality of civil rights.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:23 AM
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19. I believe they all have 100% ratings from NARAL and
I'm not sure NOW does a rating. Other groups such as the League of Conservation Voters, do.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:25 AM
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20. Sure. Current scores. But lifetime is very different.
For example, prior to 2003, Kucinich's NARAL rating had never been above 25% in his previous six years in Congress
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:29 AM
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21. No, I meant lifetime
I'm fairly certain the Clinton, Edwards and Obama all have lifetime scores of 100% from NARAL.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:30 AM
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22. I think so, too. But the guy who's leading ACLU scorecard would drop like a stone on NARAL rating
That's what I was saying.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:43 AM
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25. Here's a bunch
VoteSmart

AFL-CIO
Clinton 93% Edwards 100%
Obama 93% McCain 7%

ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 20%

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
Clinton 83% Edwards 60%
Obama 83% McCain 33%

AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION
Clinton 8% Edwards 13%
Obama 8% McCain 65%

AMERICAN WILDERNESS COALTION
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 16%

AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION
Clinton 95% Edwards 65%
Obama 95% McCain 16%

AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY
Clinton 0%
McCain 100%

AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 40%

AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 20%

AMERICANS FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 33%

AM. SOCIETY FOR PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
Clinton 100% Edwards 60%
McCain 20%

ANIMAL HUMANE SOCIETY OF U.S.
Clinton 100% Edwards 60%
Obama 60% McCain 40%

BRADY CAMPAIGN TO PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE
Clinton 100% Edwards 77%
McCain 14%

CHILDREN’S DEFENSE FUND
Clinton 100% Edwards 91%
Obama 100% McCain 10%

CITIZENS FOR GLOBAL SOLUTIONS
Clinton A+ Edwards 53%
Obama A+ McCain B+

DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 40%

DISABLED AMERICAN VETERANS
Clinton 80% Edwards 66%
Obama 80% McCain 20%

LEAGUE OF CONSERVATION VOTERS
Clinton 95% Edwards 37%
Obama 100% McCain 29%

NAACP
Clinton 96% Edwards 94%
Obama 100% McCain 7%

NARAL PRO CHOICE:
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN
Clinton 96%
Obama 91% McCain 13%

NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL FARMERS UNION
Clinton 83% Edwards 80%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE
Clinton 0% Edwards 0%
Obama 0% McCain 75%

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION
Clinton F
McCain C+

NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR A MORE EFFECTIVE CONGRESS
Clinton 95% Edwards 95%
Obama 95% McCain 20%

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
Clinton 100% Edwards 88%
Obama 100% McCain 60%

PLANNED PARENTHOOD:
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

UNITED AUTO WORKERS
Clinton 93% Edwards 75%
Obama 85% McCain 9%


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4044288
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:45 AM
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31. Here ya go
Simply click a candidate and you can look at every interest group rating available (see link on right hand side).

http://www.vote-smart.org/election_president.php
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:08 PM
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32. Yes, I use that all the time. But it still doesn't give "lifetime scorecards" by candidate by group
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 12:09 PM by PeaceNikki
It gives each rating each year by candidate, but not the cumulative lifetime rating as was given the OP.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:44 AM
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26. But wait, I am confused isn't Edwards the most progressive????
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:55 AM
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29. He's moved left in his four years out of the Senate.
When he was a senator from 2001-2004, the Senate was mostly rubberstamping the Patriot Act and other Bush lunacies. By the time the Dems began finally showing some backbone, Edwards was already out of Congress.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:51 AM
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27. Congratulations to Hunter for not getting a negative score!
Looks like his love of Second Amendment rights is really paying off.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 12:12 PM
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33. But the Obama haters keep saying on DU that Obama is not liberal.
I guess not.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:29 PM
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34. My Senator scored 91%
:patriot:



The only 2 votes that weren't in alignment with ACLU were: Campaign finance reform (that he co-sponsered) and a vote for ban on raves.

:loveya: Russ
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:28 PM
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37. Voted to ban raves???
THAT might peeve off some younger voters...

Myself, I can't go into one of those things -- my migraines are triggered by flashing lights. (Better than seizures, I guess...) The "rave" scene in my state has their own online forum with a politics section. They've also done voter registration drives at all the parties this year.
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