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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:25 PM
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DU is tripping again...


For all of you people angry at Obama for discussing Reagan, you need to take a lude.

All he is saying is that Reagan ushered in change. PERIOD.

Maybe you don't like the fact that he doesn't condemn Reagan, or maybe you don't like the fact that he's dicussing Reagan at all.

Guess what?

TOO BAD.

Obama lives in the real world and doesn't follow the puritanical code of PC that is sometimes prevalent on DU. He talks about real world things. Reagan was popular with a lot of people. Get over it.

And for the record I hate Reagan.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:26 PM
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1. Aye!
And I hate Reagan too.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:27 PM
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3. Yeah
Apparently people don't like to hear honesty just political SPIN. I thought ppl were liberals on here and wanted something different but it seems like many want more of the same.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:27 PM
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2. He also combined his statement about Reagan changing
the country with a real slam to those of us who had been working for positive change all through the 60s and 70s.

I guess you didn't bother reading that part.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:28 PM
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4. text?

Where is the text and I'll read it!
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:29 PM
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5. OMG you are a republican!
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:33 PM
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8. I'm stealing this, so you'll have to sue me for plagiarism.
LOL, that is one all purpose response, here in the GD-P, LOL. :rofl: MKJ
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:36 PM
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15. That story was written by a very intelligent man and it WAS NOT about pods!
It was about how we are our own worst enemies. A similar theme was explored in Carpenter's "It".

Please, Use it. Good luck and god bless. This place is fucked to the rafters.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:45 PM
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17. We do it to ourselves everytime.
It is an apt visual metaphor, the best I've seen here for a long while. I won't use it unless I'm utterly compelled, since overuse will diminish its effectiveness. "fucked to the rafters", yep, that we be.

:toast: MKJ
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:51 PM
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22. Hmm, can I steal
"This place is fucked to the rafters?" Wow, yer just a wealth of good sig-lines and steal-worthy material, aren't you?
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:59 PM
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23. It's all yours.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:30 PM
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6. He said more than that
He said when Reagan ran for President the country needed a change from government that was too big and a country that suffered from the excesses of the 60's era.

Where does a guy who admits doing drugs get off complaining about the "excesses of the 60's"?

His message was that the changes Reagan wanted were changes the country needed at that time. Sorry, BS.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:32 PM
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7. He said the repukes were the party of ideas - 'splain that.
His easily percieved praising of raygun fits right in with his "no difference between me and bush" on Iraq statement.

I won't join in or pretend yet again he didn't really mean what it sounded like he said (while some poeple twist Hillary's words to mean things she clearly didn't mean).

Obama has put his eager supporters in a very hard position, arguing the talents of raygun as good for the Democratic party.


btw, I wish I could find a lude or two
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:33 PM
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9. Do you have the exact quote on that, with link and context?
Thanks. :hi:
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:36 PM
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14. I don't know how you missed it but yeah, Here ya go.
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:39 PM by Skip Intro

here's the thread about it, contains a link to a video where he made the comment

but I'm sure he was really saying Democrats rock. Right?
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:34 PM
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10. TEE HEE!
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:36 PM
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13. It isn't hard for Obama Nation
to clasp hands over their ears in a testament to Cognitive Dissonance.

They just love the middle....as in average....

Sorry, I'll take the LEFTY PROGRESSIVE and love it!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:07 PM
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26. I miss
Captain Rohrer myself! heh heh heh...;)

Thanks to St. Ronnie on that too! Jerk!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:34 PM
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11. Right-o.
:thumbsup:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:34 PM
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12. Two ludes with a beer chaser.
Coupled with a little electroshock treatment.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:36 PM
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16. Obama should hate him too. Reagan did SO MUCH DAMAGE to the U.S.! But in all fairness....
The Clintons have been high-fiving so many Repukes it's hard to count. Before the primaries got started, Bill Clinton was doing speaking engagements with Bush Sr. It made me sick to my stomach.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:00 PM
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24. They are after all both former Presidents, that is a very small
club. They have been working together fund-raising for less fortunate people. Clinton's nature is that of a 'people person'. He likes people.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:04 PM
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25. They degraded Clinton, the Democrats, dragged us thru the mud and he's high-fiving this man? Please
Do you have any idea how Democrats viewed that? What Democrats out there were saying about that?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:47 PM
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18. No
And you can't make me. Reagan sucked!!!!


























:rofl:

























:popcorn:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:47 PM
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19. Reagan offered Americans a sense of common purpose that liberals seemed no longer able to muster."
Edited on Thu Jan-17-08 09:49 PM by robbedvoter
his book, p 32

also

Pages 156-57

"The conservative revolution Reagan helped usher in gained traction because Reagan's central insight--that the liberal welfare state had grown complacent and overly bureaucratic, with Democratic policy makers more obsessed with slicing the economic pie than with growing he pie--contained a good deal of truth."
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:49 PM
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20. you just tripped,... and fell. sorry but i was building food banks and homeless shelters in WA as
a VISTA Volunteer, we had 36,000 families in 2 counties, who couldn't feed their children or put a roof over their heads in the snow.

i think the difference of opinion might be ones socioeconomic status at the time... many non metropolitan areas got plowed under and lift for dead.... a lot of people profited uner him.. and wont say ill of him, it is a matter of perspective.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:18 PM
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28. ok


And what does your wonderful Vista record have anything to do with this? Quit projecting what you think you hear, and listen to what he is saying. That's all.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 09:49 PM
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21. Till we have a nominee this place is going to be luny land every day
chaotic, but fun :)
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 10:09 PM
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27. Why are so many Obama supporters nasty, shouting assholes?
GET OVER IT!

SHUT UP!

TOO BAD!

I feel unified already.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:09 PM
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29. Are you sure it's not buggin'?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:14 PM
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30. "I hate reagan"
Check one that clarifies the degree and nature of the hatred:

< > I'm ok with the changes that he made.
< > I'm not ok with the changes that he made.
< > I'm a blind supporter partisan with no critical thinking ability or historical context regarding Reagan.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-17-08 11:20 PM
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31. Yes - God forbid we have a presidential candidate who can cooly analyze politics
without frothing at the mouth whenever he mentions someone he doesn't agree with.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:09 PM
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32. I heard he referred to him as "St. Ronnie" so THERE.
Without the faux outrage what fun would it be? All facts and no Faux makes the primaries a dull show.
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