Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why did Obama call Hillary's MLK comments "unfortunate" and "ill-advised"?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:02 PM
Original message
Why did Obama call Hillary's MLK comments "unfortunate" and "ill-advised"?
Yesterday on MSNBC, Jesse Jackson, Sr, an Obama supporter, said Martin Luther King and Lyndon Johnson were a team. He further noted anyone who attacked Hillary for the comments she recently made about the two was in error. Below is a link to a summary of Joseph Califano's account of the way King and Johnson worked together. So if what Hillary said is true, why did Obama criticize her and call her remarks "unfortunate" and "ill-adivsed"? Was he ignorant of the history of how King and Johnson worked together? Was he playing the race card to try to stem losses from Hillary's win in New Hampshire and shore up his position in South Carolina? Why did he say what he said?

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011754.php

Thursday :: Jan 17, 2008
King and Johnson

by Turkana

Joseph Califano's long public career included a stint as President Lyndon Johnson's special assistant for domestic affairs, from 1965 to 1969. He has first-hand knowledge of the actual relationship between President Johnson and Dr. Martin Luther King. On Tuesday, he wrote this insightful commentary, in the Washington Post.

The greatest fairy tale of the 2008 campaign so far is the accusation that there is some tint of racism or putdown of Martin Luther King Jr. in Hillary Clinton's comment that "it took a president," Lyndon Johnson, to realize the civil rights leader's dreams.

The visionary preacher and the tough-talking master politician would be the first to say that they needed each other. I know how they came to work together, in a complex partnership, to produce a social revolution that has saved this nation.

Within days of President Kennedy's assassination, King was already telling Johnson directly that he would risk his life by forcing dramatic confrontations in the South, if that's what it would take to get government action.

He knew it would take presidential leadership, he said, and he shrewdly held out the potential of supporting Johnson in the 1964 campaign.

Johnson appreciated King, and decided to push ahead with what became the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

more...





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. because they wanted to cause as much trouble as possible

Exactly, they used it as far as they could and then pulled back.

Total contradiction of themselves.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Why? Simple. They were deliberately playing the race card...and then blamed Clinton.
Killed two birds with one stone. Very clever...yet devious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Not that clever.
Took Rangel half a second to figure out what was going on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. Three Cheers to Charlie. He was faithful even though it was
against his own race.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
11. Obama pulled back because he got phone calls.
Maybe I'm just fantasizing, but my guess is Charlie Rangel held his own caucus and then called Obama with the results. He warned him that he was going to give an interview to Channel One spanking Obama in public and giving Obama the facesaver of getting out in front of the interview. Once he was sure Obama got the message, he called Clinton and told her to get her statement ready. When Obama and Clinton released their pacifying statements, he did his interview.

That's what a mature, experienced politician does.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
18. I guess that's because blacks are such troublemakers?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. Because they were unfortunate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
3. My question has always been
What was her point. After she made her remarks and just thought, "and...".

What was she trying to say?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:15 PM
Response to Original message
4. Why? SC is why. Real simple.
He played the race card because he was afraid the Clinton reputation in black communities would siphon off votes and he needs the win in SC. He was publicly spanked for it by Charlie Rangel and other, more mature and experienced black leaders.

We can anticipate President Obama whipping out the race card every time Congress looks cross-eyed at him. Gonna be fun.

I started out liking Obama but thinking him green. Now I actively dislike him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
5. Uh...because it's a political campaign and you try to take
advantage of what you perceive as mistake or misstatement by your opponent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. Bingo. Simple, true, and to the point. There are no smoking guns here, just human nature in a
competitive situation trying to take advantage of a perceived mistake of their opponent. That simple.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:16 PM
Response to Original message
6. Because it was MLK's Birthday, and Hillary stated this soon after
she had suggested in the debates that had just occurred that somehow she was a "doer" who got things done, while Obama only "talks" and gives false hope. The linkage and association was obvious, as she was the one that made the comments directly.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:18 PM
Response to Original message
7. Because they started a shit-storm in the black community...
whether they intended to or not.

Actually that's not true. They were only "ill-advised" or "unfortunate" if they were not intended to start trouble. If they were intended to start trouble they were reprehensible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:21 PM
Response to Original message
9. You don't think they weren't?
"Hypocrite preacher."

- LBJ, on MLK.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
10. because the comments diminished the legacy of a great man
they were not racist.

they were disrespectful.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. No. They weren't.
Not even a little.

Unless, of course, you're suddenly desperate for black votes in South Carolina.

It was an ugly ploy but it obviously worked on some less discerning people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. "It took a President to get it done"
MLK just didn't have what it takes.

She used the name of a great man to try to and cleverly score political points.

She's a doer, Obama's just a talker...like MLK

Give me a break.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Ding ding ding! We have a winner!....n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:29 PM
Response to Original message
14. Because they were?
Got to love that boomerang effect.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Also a good response. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:32 PM
Response to Original message
17. to fire up his newly race conscious white supporters, whose previous concern with King...
was relegated to avoiding the area of the city that the street named after him is located.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:33 PM
Response to Original message
19. You black guys can make great speeches that make people all teary-eyed
but it takes a white President for anything meaningful to happen.

That's one highly possible interpretation, making the comments unfortunate and ill-advised.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Not only that...
...but a white President who didn't think too highly of blacks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Particularly after Shaheen, Kerrey, Cuomo, etc n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. There was a conscious strategy to downsize Obama into a symbolic candidate
they knew the media would seize on race as an issue and that Obama would eventually have to respond. They were willing to lose black votes (which they may have calculated were gone after Iowa and New Hampshire anyway) in order to weaken Obama with whites and Hispanics. As always with the Clintons, it was a cynical and crudely effective idea until Obama headed it off at the pass this week and called for a truce while at the same time complimenting the Clitnons for their record on racial equality. That's something they clearly weren't counting on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
20. Another vote for "Because they were"
Her remark sounded minimizing of King's work. I think Hillary respects Martin Luther King, Jr, enormously, but the point she was trying to make was expressed poorly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 01:52 PM
Response to Original message
24. Because it didn't comform to what Reagan would have thought.
Didn't you get the memo?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:30 PM
Response to Original message
27. Why did the NEW YORK TIMES describe those remarks as "peculiar"?
Probably an Obama/Gray Lady conspiracy.

It was in an editorial about unity and division in the NY Times jan 9
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 02:42 PM
Response to Original message
29. Why does Obama do anything? His advisers's tell him what to do and say....
....remember, he said he won't be a hands-on executive.

Injecting race was in the script. And just before the Nevada and South Carolina caucuses/primaries were the right times.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 16th 2024, 03:50 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC