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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:37 PM
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Obama Camp Hits Back At Hillary's Reagan Criticism

Hillary Personally Slams Obama Over Reagan Comments

By Greg Sargent - January 18, 2008, 3:19PM

The Hillary campaign clearly made a decision to go all out on Obama's Reagan comments today. Hillary herself just lit into Obama over them in Las Vegas, according to a transcript provided by her campaign:

"I have to say, you know, my leading opponent the other day said that he thought the Republicans had better ideas than Democrats the last ten to fifteen years. That's not the way I remember the last ten to fifteen years.

"I don't think it's a better idea to privatize Social Security. I don't think it's a better idea to try to eliminate the minimum wage. I don't think it's a better idea to undercut health benefits and to give drug companies the right to make billions of dollars by providing prescription drugs to Medicare recipients. I don't think it's a better idea to shut down the government, to drive us into debt."

In fairness, Obama didn't really say that Republicans had better ideas than Dems (more on this here). This is what Obama said:

"The Republican approach I think has played itself out. I think it's fair to say the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10 or 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you've heard it all before. You look at the economic policies, when they're being debated among the presidential candidates, it's all tax cuts. Well, we've done that, we've tried it."

Between this and what Hillary's surrogates said today about this, it looks like the Hillary campaign is waging all-out war over the Reagan comments to "win" the last news cycle, as the political pros like to say. We'll see what happens.

Late Update: The Obama camp responds.


Obama Camp Hits Back At Hillary's Reagan Criticism

By Greg Sargent - January 18, 2008, 3:54PM

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responds to Hillary's Obama-Reagan blast with this:

“It’s hard to take Hillary Clinton’s latest attack seriously when she’s the one who supported George Bush’s war in Iraq, the most damaging Republican idea of our generation. While others were triangulating and poll-testing their positions, Senator Obama has been fighting for progressive ideals for over two decades."

Pulling it away from a discussion about Obama's conciliatory streak and back onto turf where Obama is more comfortable: Hillary's support for the war, and their argument about political caution and triangulation.







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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:39 PM
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1. "triangulating and poll-testing their positions"
Yes, and that is why Hillary is my last choice for the nomination.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:44 PM
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11. This Clinton Campaign
is almost as bad as any run by the Bush/Rove team...I am disliking her and her surrogates more and more as this race goes on-go Edwards and if not then go Obama ABH
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:58 PM
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17. Totally agree.
The level of enthusiam I'd have if Edwards or Obama is our nominee has been growing. But the Clinton's Rovian smears are going to make it hard for me to pull the lever for her if she is our nominee.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:05 PM
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22. If Edwards falters
I can tell you that my support goes to Obama and NOT TO CLINTON-and if Mike Bloomberg ends up running I may hold my nose and vote for an independent in November
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:39 PM
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2. I won't make excuses for either of them...
Obama + Reagan SUCKS, just as Clinton + Bush SUCKS
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 PM
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4. Except that Obama doesn't praise Reagan's policies.
Clinton enabled Bush's worst policy.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:41 PM
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6. As I said, NO excuses. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:57 PM
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15. There is a difference between an excuse and a fact. n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:05 PM
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24. I mean that I don't excuse Obama any more than I excuse Clinton...
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:22 PM by polichick
He threw liberals under the bus while pandering to indies and Republicans ~ I don't care if he's not yet able to make policy decisions based on it.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:34 PM
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38. Yep, it's just too wrong on too many different levels...
and it just makes me too sick to try and parse it out any further.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:40 PM
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3. I think Obama has toasted himself.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:41 PM
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7. Out of curiosity, have you ever considered Obama to have done
anything right on here?
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:44 PM
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12. Last 10-15 years? ...
That would put the time period clearly in Clinton's camp would it not? Perhaps Obama meant Gingrich's Contract On America do nothing Repugnant Congress.

Guess we'll never know. We are presently almost 16 years out now from Clinton's election. Before that was 4 years of daddy bush and then we get back to Raygun.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:00 PM
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19. You just say things to hear yourself speak. You've never been able to view Obama objectivly
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:24 PM
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32. I'd have to second that one
I'd say Obama really is gonna take a serious hit for pandering to the RayGun ratpack. Hope he's working on damage control right now.

He's got zero credibility with me at the moment and he won't get much of it back by harping on the "I was against IWR" issue. Making statements in support of Raygun is almost the same as voting for another new war against some tiny, impoverished 3rd world country like Grenada or Nicaragua. This puts him in a warmonger category like Hilllary and JE as far as I'm concerned.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:41 PM
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5. "the most damaging Republican idea of our generation"
No shit.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:42 PM
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8. well, I see Hillary is no better than Edwards at twisting words around
such sad desperation.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:43 PM
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9. 1994.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:44 PM
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10. he screwed himself up with this one
and he's just digging that hole a little deeper. It's much better to be on offense instead of defense and Obama's off-the-cuff pro-Reagan riff isn't helping him ... at all.

This story is dominating the news cycle the day before the Caucus and those on the fence, so to speak, who remember Reagan and his Republicans well -- and despise them accordingly -- may find themselves wondering 'just what DON'T I know about this seemingly nice man I know so little about?' and thinking twice before caucusing for Obama.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:58 PM
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16. the only place it is dominating the story is DU
it's like Hillarite Fever
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:07 PM
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26. Keep telling yourself that
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:12 PM
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27. so now a Google search is 'dominating the news'
I could type any words in there and get stories to come up.

try this out:
http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8&hl=en&q=clinton+suppression&btnG=Search

Clinton Voter Suppression dominates the News!

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:14 PM
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29. Both Clinton and Edwards have leapt on these comments.
They will be the big story tonite on cable news going into the caucus.

The endless cycle loves fresh meat especially ones with soundbites.

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:28 PM
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35. It's a shame that the only hope for your candidate is the Smear.
What if people would actually vote for her based on her merit rather than her manipulation?

I think your reliance on cable news will prove misplaced.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:00 PM
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21. The only place this is "dominating" is with the Hillary hacks on DU
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:05 PM
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23. nice try
but even my Dad -- who avoids politics like the plague -- called me wanting to know what Obama said about liking Reagan.

Enjoy your bubble, though.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:06 PM
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25. Sure...keep telling yourself that.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:13 PM
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28. First the seed, then the tree. (eom)
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:27 PM
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34. nah, I'd say Obama shot himself in the foot
and I hope he doesn't try pulling out anymore trick shots like that. If he wants to corner the market on the conservative rightwing vote, he should switch parties and run on the Repug ticket. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:46 PM
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13. She's gonna need something better than that to divert attention from her voter disenfranchising. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:55 PM
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14. That was a petty, dishonest interpretation by Hillary.
Deliberately misleading. I wonder what people who first hear those comments think after hearing Obama's real comments?

I would be pretty insulted. It's one thing to correctly interpret someone's comment and debunk it. But to deliberate misinterpret it and mislead Americans? That's low.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:00 PM
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18. Weak counterattack.
Hillary is battering him with his own words and it obviously stings.

"Senator Obama has been fighting for progressive ideals for over two decades."

Where was Obama for Kyl Lieberman?

Where was Obama when MoveOn was attacked?

Why did he vote present more times than any other IL state legislator?

That's fighting for progressive ideals?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:32 PM
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37. His words? No, she's morphing them for her own ends. You're entitled to your opinion ...
but not your own (or HRC's LIES) facts. :thumbsdown:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:56 PM
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41. Are you kidding?
Where was Hillary for Kyl Lieberman? Oh yeah, she was voting FOR it.
and where was Hillary when MoveOn was attacked? Oh yeah, she was condemning MoveOn.

:eyes:
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:00 PM
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20. It was a pretty stupid thing for Obama to say.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:19 PM
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30. Hillary, the triangulating, chimp-supporting war monger...
:kick: for
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:22 PM
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31. Are they both fucking nuts? They've fallen for another media trap! Their
judgment and lack of ability to rise about this crap concerns me.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:26 PM
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33. Even the talking heads are picking up on ClintonCo creating strawmen over sh*t they just makes up.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:35 PM by AtomicKitten
For some time now, Hillary and her minions have been either grotesquely twisting what Obama says (he did not use a superlative when referring to Raygun, he was talking about trajectory, i.e., change) or just making sh*t up entirely and riffing off it (like Rangle going off on an alleged comment by Obama that Obama never made).

Even the cynical pundits like Olbermann, Stewart and Colbert have called attention to this lame strategy.

The Clinton campaign strategy of anything goes is on its own downhill trajectory and they are trying to drag the entire election process and everybody else down into the gutter where they are most comfortable fighting.

I would say it is Clinton that has an affinity for the GOP since she is mimicking their nasty gutter politics.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:28 PM
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36. Yes, HRC not only voted for the IWR, she also voted against Limiting OR Banning Cluster Munitions.
So much for HRC's illustrious "Pro-Life" or nurturing "it takes a village" B.S. :thumbsdown:

To HRC, *it takes a village* of maimed and decapitated Iraqis, Afghans and Palestinians in order to keep our illustrious manufactures of these DUMB (Cluster) Bombs in business. :nuke:





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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:39 PM
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39. Wow...I had no idea that thr HRC-ista's had distorted his comments THAT much...
...what a bunch of fucking losers...

THIS is the best they cna come up with?

This is IT?

:eyes:
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:42 PM
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40. the republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10 or 15 years
So Obama didn 't say the republican ideas were better than the democratic ones.

Obama implied the republican ideas were better than all parties.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:58 PM
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42. Hillary hearts Reagan
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:36 PM
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43. Kick! n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:05 PM
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44. Double kick!...n/t
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