Is it fair to say that Republicans were the party of ideas...

Clintonista2

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:43 PM
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Poll question: Is it fair to say that Republicans were the party of ideas...

for a pretty long chunk of time over the last 10 or 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom?

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yurbud

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:45 PM
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1. maybe until the first half of Reagan admin--then they became conventional wisdom

or more accurately, conventional corruption and stupidity.

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suston96

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:46 PM
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2. Great ideas, indeed....

...easier to steal elections than to win them, the old fashioned way.

That what Obama meant by "party of ideas"?

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TheWraith

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:52 PM
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8. He never said they had good ideas, he said they'd been driving the debate. NT

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suston96

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:00 PM
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12. What he said....

�I think it�s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10 to 15 years in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.�

I believe the emphasis is on "...the party of ideas" implying that the other party or parties were not.

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Kucinich4America

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:43 PM
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18. It's not the Repuke ideas that were driving the debate

Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:44 PM by Kucinich4America

It's Repuke ownership of the media, and the fact that only right wing ideas got any recognition.

As recently evidenced by General Electric and the DLC partnership to censor the debates.

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Konza

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:47 PM
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3. They were offering a lot of ideas

most of which were really shitty ideas, but ideas nonetheless.
So, yes, technically they did upend the narrative.
Hell, before they were done they even had us running on "the Era of Big Government is Over" by the 1990s. And the republicans continue to run on "The Government sucks-Elect us and we'll show you"

But the time's they are a changin again.

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polichick

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:48 PM
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4. It's only fair if you say "the party of criminal ideas." nt

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NastyRiffraff

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:48 PM
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5. I voted no, but..

Yeah, they were the Party of Ideas. Bad ideas.

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SoFlaJet

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:48 PM
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6. Is it fair

to misconstrue what a candidate NOT named Hillary has said?

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Clintonista2

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:49 PM
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7. Actually I copy and pasted EXACTLY what Obama said

Try again.

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TheWraith

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:54 PM
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9. And you deleted all the context. NT

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Clintonista2

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:18 PM
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13. Ahh, the old Bill O'reilly excuse

I sure wasn't expecting that one :eyes:

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SoFlaJet

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:55 PM
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10. so is THIS fair?

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responds to Hillary's Obama-Reagan blast with this:

�It�s hard to take Hillary Clinton�s latest attack seriously when she�s the one who supported George Bush�s war in Iraq, the most damaging Republican idea of our generation. While others were triangulating and poll-testing their positions, Senator Obama has been fighting for progressive ideals for over two decades."

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Clintonista2

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:19 PM
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14. Is it fair to claim that Bill Burton said that?

Sure it is.

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nichomachus

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Fri Jan-18-08 04:55 PM
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11. GOP has only had one idea

The GOP has had only one idea since 1934 -- and that was to complete the fascist coup that was started by corporatists including Prescott Bush.

We are now in the endgame of that coup. They are working overtime on destroying the social safety net, the middle class, and decency and integrity in the country. If they succeed, we will all just exist at the mercy of the corporations.

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IndianaJones

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:19 PM
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15. they took advantage of the failures of liberal government. nt.

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rucky

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:24 PM
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16. I'll have to agree.

Bad ideas. Terrible ideas. Destructive as hell ideas.

They accomplished what they've set out to do in creating a perpetual war racket, a preemptive doctrine, massive upward transfer of wealth, unprecedented executive powers, a totally corrupted Congress and fraudulent voting process. A rollback past the New Deal, past the Declaration of Independence - all the way back to pre-Magna Carta values, commoditize education, destroy the environment, cause global financial chaos and increase the threat of terrorism.

All Dems have done is kinda sorta try to stop them.

Other than that, we're doing GREAT

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Quantess

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Fri Jan-18-08 05:37 PM
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17. Sure. The party of bad ideas.

"Trickle-down theory", and No Child Left Behind, for instance.

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pa28

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Fri Jan-18-08 06:41 PM
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19. The party of old ideas in glossy new packaging actually.

Every few years they have a highly touted "______ revolution" (fill in Reagan, Gingrich, Bush etc.) which is sold to and bought by the public as visionary new ideas.

The purpose behind it and result always turns out to be new ways of giving tax breaks to wealthy individuals and corporations.

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BootinUp

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Fri Jan-18-08 06:42 PM
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20. This poll result is no surprise, it has become quite clear

why Democrats get bashed here night and day.

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