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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:49 PM
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Unite Here Nevada ads are NOT 527 ads - Clinton and Edwards are misleading
The emergence of a labor effort on Obama's behalf touched off a barrage of criticism from both the Clinton camp and aides to Sen. John Edwards, who said they considered it a surprising turn of events given that Obama's campaign was sharply critical of labor organizations that campaigned heavily for Clinton and Edwards in New Hampshire and Iowa.

"He loudly and repeatedly attacked independent ads by unions in Iowa as the product of special interests," said Edwards for President Deputy Campaign Manager Jonathan Prince. "But when a different outside group starts running ads on his behalf in Nevada, there's not a peep from him or his campaign. It must be because he's burning up the phone lines calling the head of UNITE HERE personally to demand he pulls the ads down right away."

Obama press secretary Bill Burton countered that the Illinois senator "has said clearly that campaigns should fund themselves and discourages supporters from spending outside the campaign. But no one should be confused about the effort that was run on behalf of John Edwards in Iowa. In that case, it was not the independent speech of individual union members, each contributing small amounts to amplify their voices. It was a special project of outside donors funding a massive 527 effort run by one of Edwards' top political lieutenants."

The Clinton campaign also took aim at the Obama camp for remaining "strangely silent" now that a labor union is attacking the Clinton campaign.

"In Iowa, Senator Obama and his campaign went out of his way to attack labor unions for independently promoting other candidates. But in Nevada, he's looking the other way as they falsely attack his opponents," said Phil Singer, a Clinton campaign spokesman. "That's wrong. Senator Obama shouldn't be saying one thing about independent groups in Iowa and another in Nevada."

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The ad is running on Spanish radio. Unlike earlier labor efforts undertaken on behalf of Clinton and Edwards in earlier contests, the UNITE HERE commercial is not paid for by an independent "527 group." It is paid for by the union, which is permitted as a means of communicating to its 60,000 members, Bohner said.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/17/unite_here_to_air_radio_ads_fo.html

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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:50 PM
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1. Be careful, that looks like a "fact" to me - and that you might have done some simple research too.
We can't have that going on, can we?
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:08 PM
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17. haha. nt
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:50 PM
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2. the Union supporting Obama?
so how does this make the racist barrage of hate speech in Obama's name better?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:58 PM
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8. How does the ad justify your completely lying about and distorting it? NT
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:06 PM
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11. distorting it how?
"not respecting our people" doesn't strike you as a tad racist?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:51 PM
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3. Does the misidentification change the underlying assertion?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:53 PM
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6. whats the underlying assertion?
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:01 PM
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9. Edwards is objecting to the content.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:01 PM by TwilightZone
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4108289

A semantic point about the source of the ad doesn't address the criticisms of it.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:57 PM
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7. That was my first thought
Who cares if they are 527's - the content of the ads was objected to by Obama so I think that says all that needs to be said.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:15 PM
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12. Obama did not attack labor unions for running ads in Iowa
He attacked independent 527s for running ads in Iowa, one of which was funded in part by a labor union. 527 ads are illegal and both Obama and Edwards are against 527 ads. Ads produced by labor union political committees are not illegal. As for the content of the Unite Here ad, they feel they were under threat by pro-Clinton forces in Nevada and they are responding as they think best for right or wrong. But that doesn't mean Clinton and Edwards get to distort Obama's record on 527s, either.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:18 PM
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13. Edwards isn't objecting to the source. He's objecting to the content.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:19 PM by TwilightZone
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:27 PM
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14. I'm referring to this paragraph from the OP
"He loudly and repeatedly attacked independent ads by unions in Iowa as the product of special interests," said Edwards for President Deputy Campaign Manager Jonathan Prince. "But when a different outside group starts running ads on his behalf in Nevada, there's not a peep from him or his campaign. It must be because he's burning up the phone lines calling the head of UNITE HERE personally to demand he pulls the ads down right away."


Obama objected to 527 ads in Iowa, not union ads. Edwards is dishonestly presenting them as the same. They are not the same. The Iowa ads were 527 ads and were illegal; in addition both Obama and Edwards are vocally against them. The Nevada ad is a union ad; neither Edwards or Obama is against them. So what is Edwards howling about?

The content is a separate matter.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:51 PM
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4. In a country with free speech, 527 ads are fine imo, and so is this. nt
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:52 PM
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5. Thank you for the clarification.
It makes me smile. :) You know Obama will continue to be attacked anyway. But thanks for interjecting some facts. :thumbsup:
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:02 PM
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10. They are an outside group pushing the agenda of nominating Senator Obama.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:03 PM by Kerry2008
Just like the group in Iowa was pro-Edwards, they're pro-Obama.

Obama should denounce it, and "walk the walk" as he said he does.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:28 PM
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15. Bullshit
A union ad is no way the same as a 527 ad.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:32 PM
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16. An Edwards supporter admonishing about 'walking the walk'...
:rofl:
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