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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:49 PM
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Would Bill Clinton have complained about the CWU's members' votes having "5 times as much influence
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 04:51 PM by jenmito
as others" if his wife had gotten their endorsement? Of course not. More selective outrage. Just like when he thought his wife would lose NH, he complained about their primary being so soon after IA's caucus.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:50 PM
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1. Even the "5 times as much" wasn't true nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:51 PM
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4. I know. That would only be true if every single Dem. in NV voted. n/t
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:51 PM
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2. Would Obama have not complained about the CWU members' votes having 5 times as much as others
if he hadn't gotten their endorsement? Of course not.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:51 PM
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3. no shit
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:53 PM
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7. The Clintons already have an advantage in NV with all their connections...
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 04:53 PM by jenmito
this was just even MORE an advantage they wanted.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:54 PM
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9. In other words
I am correct?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:56 PM
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10. I would HOPE they would complain! They're entitled to at least a more level playing field when that
would've been such a large advantage to Hillary that he may as well not even have campaigned there.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:17 PM
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12. So it's ok when Obama does it, but not when Clinton does it?
Wow, you just met every Obamaton stereotype that exists on DU :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:27 PM
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17. First of all, Obama DIDN'T do it. He agreed to the terms set a year ago, as did Hillary.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 06:27 PM by jenmito
Secondly, I was hoping Obama would do it, but HE obviously DIDN'T do it when he had a chance, a year ago.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:53 PM
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8. touche'
...
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:21 PM
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14. Probably, but he hopefully wouldn't encourage he cronies to start a lawsuit to disenfranchise voters
Complaining is one thing, attempting to strip people of their civil rights is another.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:52 PM
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5. I'm still trying to figure out what the f*ck Bill was yakking about with the 5 vote thang
He was yapping to that reporter "they have 5 votes to everybody else having 1..." or whatever. Why haven't we seen what that means? That could kind of be a sort of teensy weensy story, no?


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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:05 PM
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19. let me clarify for you: he made the figure up , it has no basis in reality as we know it
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 07:05 PM by gdaerin
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:53 PM
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6. uh, welcome to politics
n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 04:56 PM
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11. Bill Clinton is now the whiner in chief. n/t
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:21 PM
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13. I remember something about an inflated value vote under certain circumstances....
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 05:38 PM by suston96
...I have been researching this and will report back later.

Actually, it's called "vote enhancement" and I believe that is what Clinton was talking about.

I am looking for examples.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:29 PM
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18. Are you saying NOBODY knew about this 'til a couple days after the CWU endorsed Obama?
Because I don't believe that.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:27 PM
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20. No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that Bill Clinton may be referring to....
....what happens when politicians or others attempt to dilute the power of the individual vote by moving polling places around.

Years ago I did legal research on this specific voting rights dilution and part of it has to do with why gerrymandering is such a huge factor in elections.

Just because something happened 10 months ago it doesn't relieve this situation of its very serious flaws.

Here's hoping that 2008 will mark the end of questionable caucus nominations in the few states that use this undemocratic process.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:46 PM
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21. Bill Clinton had no problem with it when he thought HILLARY would get the CWU's endorsement.
He and everyone else agreed to the arrangement. But that's when he thought Hillary would get the advantage. Obama had no problem with it. Once again, he's consistent and the Clintons are not.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:50 PM
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22. Do you have a link to the Clintons being part of this arrangement 10 months ago?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:58 PM
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23. Yes...hold on. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 09:54 PM
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24. OK...
"Last week the powerful, 60,000 member Culinary Workers Union Local 226 chose to endorse Senator Barack Obama after "fierce lobbying" from the three frontrunners. Two days later, the Nevada State Education Association – with ties to the Clinton campaign in its leadership – filed a lawsuit asking a federal judge to shutdown nine casino caucus at-large sites created to allow both union and non-union shift workers to vote during the workday. (On any given day, it would be difficult for these workers to participate without these caucus sites. It will be even more difficult during the busy Martin Luther King, Jr. weekend.) According to the Washington Post, the system was created last March with input from the presidential campaigns and – as meeting minutes reveal – "several of the parties to the suit were there and approved of the process."

Karen Finney, Director of Communications at the Democratic National Committee, said to me, "The state party submitted their delegate selection plan last May and it was available for public comment…. They also had a thorough review process in the state and informed the campaigns months ago about their plans. A key goal is to ensure the broadest participation by eligible voters. The state party has worked hard to increase the number of caucus locations throughout the state, there are some 520 public locations statewide, and there are more caucus locations than there were polling locations in 2006. The at-large precincts are 9 percent of those locations are open to all shift- workers within a 2.5 mile radius."

This is the first time in the 2008 presidential race that the Latino vote will play a significant role in an electoral outcome, and nearly 40 percent of the Culinary union's membership is Latino. Estimates put the votes at the casino sites at more than 10 percent of the statewide total. According to the Los Angeles Times, at a union rally Obama spoke out against the lawsuit which would "disenfranchise the hard-working folks on the Strip.... You don't win an election . . . by trying to keep people out. You're supposed to try to bring them in." He also said of the lawsuit's timing, "Ever since I got the support of Local 226, the lawyers decided to get involved. The rules were OK when the other campaigns thought they would win the Culinary endorsement."

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/3735/
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:21 PM
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15. of course not.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:21 PM
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16. of course not.
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