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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:36 PM
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BILL CLINTON JOINS IN AND TRASHES OBAMA ON REPUBLICAN IDEAS
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/18/589163.aspx

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli and NBC's Mark Murray
PAHRUMP, NV -- Bill Clinton joined his wife in targeting Barack Obama's statement about Republican ideas, saying that his "legs fell out" when he read it.

"Her principal opponent said that since 1992, the Republicans have had all the good ideas," Clinton told a crowd in Pahrump this morning. "It goes along with their plan to ask Republicans to become Democrats for a day and caucus with you tomorrow, and then go back and become Republicans so they can participate in the Republican primary. I'm not making this up, folks."

He then asked which ideas were better in the last 15 years "than the new ideas I brought to Washington," outlining issue-by-issue where Republicans stood on his accomplishments.

"I can't imagine any Democrat seeking the presidency would say they were the party of new ideas for the last 15 years. But it sounded good in Reno I guess," he said. "So now it turns out you can choose between somebody who thinks our ideas or better or the Republicans had all the good ideas."

Clinton, sporting a bright orange tie, said his wife's campaign is "stock-full of new ideas," and also that she has brought about real results for others her whole life. "So you have a choice," he said. "Do we have to start all over again and say thank you very much all those people who fought those against the extreme right wing of the Republican Party.., Or do we want someone who's a proven change maker?"

Of course, one could very well argue that many of the accomplishments from Clinton's presidency were based on GOP ideas. Welfare reform. NAFTA and free trade. And an emphasis on tax cuts.

Clinton rallied the feisty group of Pahrumpians by touting a new poll showing Hillary ahead by 9 points. "If you all could vote in a normal election, we'd be here to celebrate a certain victory. But you have a caucus, not a primary," he said. "So who will win depends on who wants it the worst, and who will be able to organize themselves to get all of our supporters there in a two hour window tomorrow."

Asked again today about the ruling in the dispute over at-large caucus sites, Clinton said simply, "It is what it is. We've got to suit up and fight on the ground that has laid for us. And I think that nobody should give a second's thought to that now. We should be all focused on getting our supporters to the caucuses."

He also encouraged Nevadans to consider for the future whether they want a caucus or primary in the future.

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:38 PM
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1. Bill should know about Republican ideas
He passed every one that was sent to his desk.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:41 PM
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6. Michael Moore called Bill,
"the best Republican President we ever had."

How true!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:38 PM
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2. Did he mean "chock-full" of new ideas?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:39 PM
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3. Obama provided a gaping opening, I don't blame anyone for taking him to task.
What side is he really on anyway?
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:42 PM
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8. More than an opening - a frame for their GE strategy - attack the GOP and deal
with the primary opponent in one swoop. It's a beaut!
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:42 PM
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9. Big Business Loves HRC
That was enough a few months back to turn me off her all together :shrug:

But hey I'm an Edwards man at this point ;)
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:40 PM
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4. That SOB! He liked their ideas about gay marriage and welfare reform to sign them! nt
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:44 PM
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10. And Bill's big idea back then? School uniforms. Big thinker!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:41 PM
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5. He's right. The dirty tricks of that campaign would have made Ronnie proud
(not to speak of Lee Atwater. For youm whipper-snappers , lee was the precursor of KKKarl, the one who taught him his craft. On his death bed, Atwater demanded forgiveness for all the evil he's done.
If that's what "borrowing Raygun's strategy means - it's not much better than espousing is ideology - the two are hard to separate anyway.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:41 PM
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7. Yea Bill!
K&R
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:44 PM
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11. Which Democratic ideas did Bill advance again?
==Of course, one could very well argue that many of the accomplishments from Clinton's presidency were based on GOP ideas. Welfare reform. NAFTA and free trade. And an emphasis on tax cuts.==

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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:46 PM
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12. I wonder if he said these things to George HW Bush
when they were on the back 9 at Cape Arundel Golf Club. Say wasn't HW Reagan's VP or something like that? I can't remember.



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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:47 PM
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13. I cant believe that Obama supporters here are actively

slamming Bill Clintons Presidency.

I mean I think you all need a good smack for that. You obviously have no respect for the ONLY Dem who managed to take the white house for us in the last 30 years. Without Bill we would be out in the bloody wilderness.

How fucking dare you!
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:48 PM
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14. Why is he so desperate to get back in the White House?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:49 PM
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15. I hear a guy can have a little fun there
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:49 PM
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16. "Why is he so desperate to get back in the White House?"
Interns?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:50 PM
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17. Take a nap, Bill.
You need one...desperately.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:50 PM
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18. Maybe somebody should tell him that Reagan is one of his wife's favorite presidents
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4674

Her list of favorite presidents - Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, George H.W. Bush and Reagan - demonstrates how she thinks. As expected, Bill Clinton was also included on the aforementioned list.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:52 PM
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20. ...
:rofl:
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 06:33 PM
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23. Bleh
She stands for progress and change about as much as Ketchup is a vegetable.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:51 PM
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19. I do hope they keep pouring the salt in BO's self inflicted wound
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:34 PM
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25. You are a lovely person n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:37 PM
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27. Thanks
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:53 PM
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21. K&R, Herman!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 05:56 PM
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22. Quick, Bill
needs to read this.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:35 PM
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26. Oh, but this is
so... last year.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 07:27 PM
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24. K&R!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 08:21 PM
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28. Bill like Hillary is getting desperate as the clock winds down...
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