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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:17 PM
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Dennis Kucinich does not admire Reagan. He will not put republicans in his Cabinet.
He has a superlative Democratic voting record.

He has consistently exhibited far better judgement than the three leading Democratic presidential candidates.

Do you want change? Do you want to end the war? Do you want to put a stop to electronic voting? Do you want to end corporate control of our government? Do you want honesty and integrity as a proven integral quality of your President?

Do you want a President that genuinely believes in, and will fight for, a government of, by, and for, the People?

Then vote for Dennis Kucinich.

Because anything else is second best.

Peace.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:18 PM
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1. Kucinich was anti-choice until 2003.
Oh well, there's always Mercer.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:20 PM
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2. waa waa
is that all you guys say? your candidate (any of the three) have done much more important flipflopping and ill point it out as soon as you state who your candidate is. Kucinich has already explained it and if you had 2 seconds you would see why he did. I have already repeated it enough to turn blue. Besides if he was I doubt he would be the type to appoint fundy SCOTUS who would repel roe V wade.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:27 PM
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4. Yeah, Al Gore was anti-choice at one time also. Is that the very best you Kucinich
bashers can do? That sure is becoming a weak, tired,pathetic, and lame mantra.

And if that's the best you can do, then it is apparent that Dennis has a whole lot fewer negatives than any other Dem candidate.
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VarnettaTuckpocket Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:30 PM
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5. I had no idea he was still anti-choice so recently
I thought it was something from his distant past. He was probably anti gay-marriage at first too. I know he wasn't totally on board with gay rights, it was probably the gay marriage issue.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:34 PM
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9. actually i have never heard of him having a problem
with gay marriage. He always believe life begins at conception and believed that it really was murder but ultimatly had to give in to the fact that its not his choice to make.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:50 PM
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19. Newbie. n/t
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:52 PM
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21. alright, why dont you
post something instead of saying something inflamatory and devisive.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:40 PM
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34. My sincerest and humblest apologies. My post was meant to
explain to you that the person responding to your post was apparently a newer member of DU, and was apparently uninformed of DK's history regarding issues like gay rights.

So sorry!

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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:42 PM
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35. oh ok no problem, i fat finger stuff all the time.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:21 PM
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3. You're absolutely CORRECT! And if I thought Kucinich had a chance, he'd be my candidate.....
... instead I support Edwards. Both are good guys (Kucinich and Edwards). I appreciate them both. Yes, I know, I know what you're going to say but I still appreciate them both.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:42 PM
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11. Ya gotta believe, Dennis can win. It is up to us to make it so. Don't settle
for second best, if you do you, are buying into what you've been instructed to believe.

Dennis is a genuine democrat/progressive like FDR. He will bring another "New Deal" to America.

And god only knows, we need another "New Deal", and another President like FDR, right now.

And yeah, Dennis isn't exactly Hollywood bullshit, but really, that's a good thing - FDR wasn't either.

We genuinely need DK to be elected President in 2008.

Bottom line, no one that is running else will suffice.


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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:44 PM
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13. My friend, I'm praying to God Edwards wins and gives Kucinich a position as attorney general. nt
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:44 PM
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14. Kucinich cant win in another stolen election
But we will win the battle. THATS A FACT.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:32 PM
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6. Kucinich considers GOP Ron Paul as his running mate
After spotting numerous blog postings that question whether Democrat Dennis Kucinich in fact said he'd consider Republican Ron Paul as his running mate, The Plain Dealer is posting exclusive audio of the remarks Kucinich made on Sunday.

Listen here:

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/11/exclusive_audio_kucinich_consi.html
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:42 PM
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12. the plain dealer has always had a beef with kucinich as
its editor has always hated dennis. Plus dennis said he had thought about it

(sorta makes sense too if you think about ron paul is his dublicate on the repub side who also has alot of underground followers who cares deeply about the constitution and the war in iraq)

but would never do it because they differ on to many different subjects. these attacks on dennis are as feeble as the top tier candidates.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:55 PM
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25. Just listen to the audio, in Kucinich's own voice, then decide
This is a simple fact check; the motivations of the Plain Dealer are besides the point in this case.

I happen to like Kucinich; his policies are closest to mine, but I cannot let that statement of whether he would or would not appoint Republicans pass unchallenged.

If you support Kucinich based on the belief that he will put party loyalty above other considerations, then your faith is based on a false premise.





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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:57 PM
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26. cant listen im at work
but I trust kucinich to put the proper people in the proper places. republicans, true republicans are still out their and do give valuble input. If he wanted to put someone in a position that was suited for them and he knew they would do a good job then great. Would we be any better if the democrats started practising exclusion and cronyism?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:57 PM
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28. Don't insult Kucinich like that
Ron Paul is nowhere near his duplicate. Most of Ron Paul's supporters are paid to spam email, and all they care about the constitution is that Ron Paul thinks the part of the constitution that allow taxation are unconstitutional. The guy's one beef with the iraq war is that he didn't get to vote for it, and he's been pitching a hissy fit since.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:02 PM
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31. im not insulting im being honest
jeez sorry, im a kooch fan myself. lol just look at all the time i spend defending him.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:34 PM
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7. Dennis never has to worry about cabinet appointments
only in his dreams.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:57 PM
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27. If true, that would most likely be a national disaster. n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:34 PM
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8. BZZZZT wrong. Dennis Kucinich admires Reagan.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:40 PM
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10. k i see a quote that is not sourced and probably out of context.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:45 PM
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17. Go find it and tell me how it's not what it is. n/t
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:51 PM
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20. cant find it
my google fu is pretty good but (dennis kucinich on reagan -ufo -nbc) does not show anything postitive that dennis has to say about reagan. please source it if you find it
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:53 PM
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23. Put a part of the Dennis quote between double quotes and use that to look. n/t
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:04 PM
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32. dont need to
from poster below looks like it was from reagans "funeral speech" what do you expect him to do? dis reagan in front of the country? might hold up the top tier candidates to the same candle then.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:45 PM
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16. Oh come on. "Won't piss on a dead guy's memory" does not equal "admires"
Seriously, you want Congressmen talking about how much a recently-dead former President sucked? That's going to go over great...
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:54 PM
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24. He could have said nothing. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:49 PM
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18. Oh, GET REAL. That was a eulogy. You are being disingenuous, and you
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 10:51 PM by Zorra
know it.

Besides, Joe Lieberman supporters no longe have any credibility whatsoever on DU.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:52 PM
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22. So he lies to impress people? n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:58 PM
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29. He was being gracious to a widow. Do you still support Joe Lieberman? n/t
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:21 PM
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33. I never did, go find where I did if you want to claim that. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:51 PM
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36. Yes, I would enthusiastically support him and campaign for him. n/t LoZoccolo Nov-26-07 12:59 AM
Poll question: If Gore/LIEberman were in The White House from 2000-2008, would you support LIEberman for P n/tresident?

Yes, I would enthusiastically support him and campaign for him. LoZoccolo Nov-26-07 12:59

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3754806
:shrug:

Sorry. Spin it however you like.

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:10 AM
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40. Yes, Lieberman against a Republican I would.
I don't need to spin that.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:00 PM
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30. its a funeral everyone lies
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 10:45 PM
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15. Kucinich for America!
:bounce:
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:52 PM
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37. Saying he won't include Republicans is asking to lose.
Edited on Fri Jan-18-08 11:56 PM by Akoto
If you want to be a viable President, you can't cut out an entire section of the voting population like that. Like it or not, the Republicans are our counterparts and are large enough in number to have an election-changing impact. At least some support on their end is important for our nominee to win, and this is one election where they might actually tip off of the fence in our favor.

Assuming our nominee does win, he doesn't simply serve the Democratic voters. He serves all voters from all parties, and will likely include a diverse group if he wants to retain their support. Even Clinton tapped Republicans to be in his cabinet (William Cohen being one), and his terms were ones of overall prosperity despite a number of hefty mistakes.

I am by no means supporting Republican rule, but I also think that realistic promises should be made.

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-18-08 11:57 PM
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38. Did Bu*h say he would include Democrats?
Well, ok, actually he lost, but you know what I'm sayin'...

Do Dems have to appease republicans, but republicans do not have to consider Democrats?
:shrug:
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:00 AM
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39. Ask yourself ...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:08 AM by Akoto
Do you really want someone who would sink to that level? I don't know whether Kucinich would or not, and I do admire most of his views, but I'd much prefer an inclusive office which serves all of the people no matter who's there. After all, it's not just the Democrats that individual will be working for (nor a Republican president solely for his party, if we ever have such a thing as a decent one).

Divisiveness really is doing a lot of harm to our country and the electoral process. I have a similar temptation to just say 'hell with 'em' like they did to us, but at some point, things have to change.
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DemIdeals Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:24 AM
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41. I'll echo the other poster- Kucinich was anti choice
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:26 AM by DemIdeals
The selfish Kucinich voted to restrict abortion rights for years and supported denying funding to low income women. now he bashes the other candidates for not being liberal enough but the fact remains that Kucinich opposed Roe v Wade until only the early part of this century. His flip flop on abortion was out of pure convenience, just like Mitt Romney's.

The Kucinich people can deny this all they want, but it is the truth. And I'm not going to waste my vote on someone who has no shot of winning the nomination anyway.

Too bad for Dennis though, because he was wrong on abortion until 5 years ago or so, wrong on flag burning, and now he's still at the bottom of every poll that bothers to include him. it makes me happy seeing democrats reject a trojan horse like dennis.

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And by the way: don't just fucking dismiss it by saying Gore was anti choice too. That doesn't excuse Kucinich. HE TRAMPLED ON A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT. Not like the little guy has a shot anyway, but what assurances could he give anyone that he wouldn't just flip flop again and support overturning Roe v Wade as president? Obama and Edwards and Clinton have been consistently pro choice their entire political careers. Dennis cast many anti choice votes during his first few years in the house. The National Right to life committee praised him as "one of the few pro-life democrats in congress". I will never ever vote for him. Ever. Never.

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT- Kucinich trampled on it. Excuse it all you want, or try to- pathetic.
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wintersoulja Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:16 AM
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42. Id say he WAS consistently Pro Life, and IS consistently PRO-Choice
Show some gratitude, as hypocrites go, he's as good as it gets.
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DemIdeals Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:48 PM
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43. Oh yes, oh definitely
Give me a break, wintersoulja. Seriously.

Pro life is a misnomer. If you're against abortion rights then you are anti choice. Don't you dare to preach to me that Catholic stuff about seamless garments. I don't care. He made a huge mistake opposing women's rights for most of his political career.

And I don't care that he opposed the death penalty, because I support it. So I've been far more consistent than him- since I've been able to reason, I've supported the rights of states and the federal government to execute murderers. I've also supported a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants to terminate her pregnancy.

You think just because the little guy is sooo good and makes good cookies that we should just forgive him?
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