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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:44 AM
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Clinton frets over possible union pressure in Nevada vote
CNN: January 18, 2008
Clinton frets over possible union pressure in Nevada vote

ELKO, Nevada (CNN) – Hillary Clinton expressed concern that undue union pressure might play a role in Saturday’s Nevada caucuses, saying that some members are being told they should either caucus for a particular candidate, or just stay home.

“I have some concerns about the process, and I want to be really clear about this to everyone. I am afraid that some people may feel that they can't come, or they shouldn't come, or they can't support the candidate of their choice,” Clinton said at an Elko, Nevada campaign event Friday.

“We know that there are some unions in the south that are telling people who to caucus for… so I am calling on all the candidates and all of the unions to make it clear to their supporters and members that people in Nevada — a free and independent state with a very independent people — are free to stand up for the candidate of their choice,” she said, adding that “There should be no interference with anybody's right to caucus.'

Clinton has been endorsed by twice as many Nevada unions as John Edwards, and more than twice as many as Barack Obama. But the 60,000-member Culinary Workers Union, which has endorsed Obama, dwarfs the others combined in size. Some of Clinton’s supporters recently filed an unsuccessful lawsuit over caucus voting at casino sites, where many Culinary Workers Union members are employed....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/18/clinton-frets-over-possible-union-pressure-in-nevada-vote/
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 AM
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1. Why doesn't she promise to make unions one of the first things she'll push as president?
What's wrong with her saying that? Or better said, why wouldn't she?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:47 AM
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4. I'm sure she has said she will support unions, doesn't get as much attention
though does it.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:52 AM
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13. I haven't heard it! When did she say this? You know? If she promised this....
... I want to read about it, otherwise I won't even know!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:47 AM
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6. nothing wrong with that idea at all--but seems her plate is very full for the first day already
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:53 AM
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15. Okay, the 2nd day then. But she needs to SCREAM IT OUT that she'll spend time pushing....
... the rights of unions and ensure the prosecution of corporations that dare to stop people from organizing.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:45 AM
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2. Too bad the Clintons weren't able to suppress the vote (sigh)
They tried very hard though, I'll give them credit for that.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:46 AM
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3.  She is right to be concerned. After the stuff we have been hearing
I wonder if there is anyway to monitor the process? Of course they are not going to pressure the workers in public. But, if my job were on the line, and I had to publically go against my boss, I would likely not do it!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:50 AM
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10. Well it will all be over early. Can't wait for the "Clinton Radio" hookup coming soon...
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:09 AM
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27. Radio hookup? Is that on her website, Tell?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:14 AM
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29. There was talk of it this morning..on Big Pink..
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:50 AM
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11. Fairness doesn't really matter I guess.
Disenfranchisement of voters occurs in many ways, which we should be against all of the ways it can occur.

But obviously on DU, this does not matter anymore.

Between this and DK getting that recount in NH, this makes us look like a bunch of idiots.

Election Fraud has been one of my biggest concerns and now I see that as long as it helps your candidate it really doesn't matter, there is no principle left.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:03 AM
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24. "DK getting that recount in NH" - So what's wrong with verification?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:14 AM
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28. It was ridiculous. There was no indication of Electoral Fraud
and why doesn't he do it in a state where it really might matter. Like in one where there is no verifiable paper trail.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:17 AM
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31. well, all states should be verified. We agree on that then.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:47 AM
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5. Vote has to be universal, SECRET, equal and Direct to be meaningful
This is a travesti by any means - having to tell your boss you disagree to his face.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:48 AM
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8. yes, it will take courage if go against the Union --face to face.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:47 AM
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7. It seems condescending, like union members are too weak to stand up for themselves. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:49 AM
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9. no, it is the way it is--they know which side their bread is buttered on.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:52 AM
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12. If you had ever been in a big macho union, you would laugh
at the naiveté of your statement
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:53 AM
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14. I practiced union-side labor law for four years
I've seen plenty of members tell the union leadership off.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:55 AM
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16. LOL - very true - indeed my fellow union brothers(US Steelworkers)were tough(I wasn't but I faked it
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:01 AM
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22. I was with the AFL-CIO and the bosses were macho assholes
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:03 AM by durrrty libby
I loved union pay, but the local organization sucked, especially for women

I am truly glad to be far far away from them now


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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:59 AM
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19. Yes, there's only mean ole men in those "macho unions" and they all hate Ste. Hillary.
:eyes:

Damn, that's just f**king shameless! - but not unlike the conniving nature of your candidate and her minions.

Don't let HRC *use* people of all colors against one another? ... as well as one each, SHAMELESS portrayal of "the damsel in distress" on the side. :crazy:

Hey! Let's get real?


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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:04 AM
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26. Nice cartoon, are you a big fan of Iowapresidential watch?
"In 2003, a handful of concerned Iowans formed the Iowa Presidential Watch PAC (IPW-PAC). The mission: To hold accountable the Democrat presidential candidates bombarding the state of Iowa with their comments and allegations, and to make citizens aware of false statements or claims by the Democrat candidates. A website was created – iowapresidentialwatch.com -- to report, defend and set the record straight."
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:53 AM
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33. Thanks for the demonstration of many a union boss persona
Loud obnoxious blow-hards.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:56 AM
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17. Clinton #1 did no favors for the Unions at all
So sure the union membership doesn't like her
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:59 AM
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18. "undue union pressure" - this is called lowering expectations so the loss
today is minimized.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:02 AM
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23. Why is it that I get the impression that this would be an NON-issue if Ste. HRC won the endorsement?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:04 AM by ShortnFiery
Can't people see that they are behaving like the RNC by attempting to suppress the vote?!?
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:16 AM
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30. anything like this will become an issue to Camp Clinton if it means she
will loose. In another thread, I replied to someone who didn't like Kucinich winning the fight to recount NH. Why on earth, if the law states it is possible, would someone protest someone's decision to do a recount?

For these older DU members who protest Kuchinich's recount efforts, it would be fascinating to look at past posts on how they felt about recounting Ohio in 2004. Methinks it would be a study in hypocrisy.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:26 AM
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32. It was never about voter supression..
it was a call for "fairness to union workers".. I imagine this issue will be dealt with again at a later date.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:56 AM
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34. Only a dim-witted simpleton could come to that conclusion
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:00 AM
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20. I think it will come out that the clinton unions were pressuring people
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:04 AM
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25. I'd bet five bucks on that one
Having worked for one of the Clinton endorsed unions. You're right. It's what unions do at election time, pressure their members.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:01 AM
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21. Fret? There's no "fretting" in Hard Ball !?!?
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