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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:33 PM
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Has the Culinary Union announced Obama as winner of the Casino Caucus yet?
The Fix is in, so why wait for the caucus to announce the "result"?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:35 PM
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1. Your bitterness about this union endorsement is inappropriate.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 PM
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2. Have the CLintons figured out a way to suppress the vote yet?
I am very confident in their abilities to do so!
:woohoo:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:41 PM
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9. Suppress the vote? You mean like voters standing around in a public room and .....
...making their choice as their employers and union leaders menacingly glare at them? That what you mean by vote suppression?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:45 PM
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13. I dont think the employers will be, its the union reps.


If they wanted to show a degree of impartiality and demonstration of fairness, a suggestion would be that union reps could have caucused at a different location than the ordinary workers.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:50 PM
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20. The secret ballot in elections is the life blood of a democratic republic....
Lose the secret ballot and the republic will die.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 PM
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3. lol, wouldnt it be funny if he didnt and they all voted as they wanted
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:38 PM by sunonmars

You never know but I am quite sure there will campaign supervisors there watching for the slightest hint of cheating.

If the numbers are way too lopsided from those precincts then you'll know theres been horseplay.

Statistically in a large precinct like that, if its like 90% 10%, then I'd suspect something.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:38 PM
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7. maybe the Clinton observers can get the Obama observers thrown out ... again
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:36 PM
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4. Has Bill Richardson endorsed Barack Obama yet?
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:38 PM
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5. those evil hispanic hotel and casino workers... trying to vote.. FIGHT THE POWER
How dare people have a chance to vote while at work on a saturday!

How dare unions and other groups have a right to organize people!!!!


I support secret balloting, btw...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:46 PM
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15. did`t the democrats in the state of nevada approve
of this caucus format? or did some evil force imposed it`s will?

power to the people! organize!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:53 PM
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21. Did the Democrats VOTE on this?
Or did the party leaders cobble out the plan and come to an agreement? I dunno. But this is the first time it's been tried. What looks like a good idea can turn out to have unforeseen kinks. This one has some beauts.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:48 PM
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17. “The lady told all of us: Nobody can go to the caucus unless you’re voting for Obama,”
On top of that, Angers and DeFalco said, the reps handed Antuna an Obama pledge card, telling her she had to sign it to participate in the caucus and that today was the deadline.

“The lady told all of us: Nobody can go to the caucus unless you’re voting for Obama,” Angers said. “They have no right to do what they did. This is America. You should be able to vote for who you feel like. It doesn’t matter who the union is endorsing. They can try to persuade us but it doesn’t mean people have to vote for them.”
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/early-line/2008/jan/16/incident-paris-las-vegas/
The pro-Obama newspaper ran an update: Obama quickly had a Union Head to announce the Union had investigated the Union and found the Union was Not Guilty.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:50 PM
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18. Well, this process is NOT secret.
And now it's in the presence of co-workers and supervisors. And I'm glad to know that your preference for Obama would survive a supervisor's preference for Hillary or Edwards. That you would muster the strength and fearlessness necessary to talk down the person in charge of your shift assignments and overtime and win your caucus to your side.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:38 PM
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6. An endorsement is a fix now?
:eyes:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:54 PM
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22. No, telling union workers they can't caucus UNLESS they're for Obama
is a fix.

Some would call that undemocratic. Would you?
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 03:44 PM
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33. Huh, Clinton seems to be winning even among the Culinary folks.
So would you and MethuenProgressive kindly shut the fuck up already?
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:39 PM
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8. Let's see lunch time on a Saturday (Holiday Weekend) in Las Vegas casinos
Yeah, sure their Employers are willing for them to leave their jobs to go caucus. :sarcasm:
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:42 PM
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10. Thats what i thought


I'm quite sure a lot of them will not be able to go.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:44 PM
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12. I'm sure the teachers (union) will take a moment to play the machines while wearing their buttons
And then by the end of tonight, half the people on DU are going to be screaming about how these poor hispanic laborers are the evil ones.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:55 PM
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23. The members of the teachers union CANNOT caucus at the casinos.
Glad to see you're so well informed.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:12 PM
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30. Yes they can - if they live within 2.5miles of a caucus location.
Get the facts.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:41 PM
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32. And how many middle-income residences are within 2.5 miles of the strip casinos?
The teachers who live in million dollar condos can vote at the casino sites?
Gee. Thanks.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:43 PM
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11. when the union backed hillary everything was cool
then the union figured out that mark penn was a union busting scumbag. so as any good union would do,they decided that hillary did`t have their best interest at heart so they switched.

so if a union is backing hillary they are a ok` but if a union doesn`t then they are crimnals. hmm seems logical to me
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:45 PM
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14. Never assume with this election. Really.
We think that might happen. But we don't know.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:46 PM
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16. NV is Hillary's to lose. I predict about a 3 point win for her there.
She's been ahead in NV for months. Obama winning there would be a huge upset.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:50 PM
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19. All i can say is if the union fixed the vote, it will be damn obvious...
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 12:50 PM by sunonmars
by looking at the percentages from the at large sites.

If they are so lopsided then i think there will definitely be accusations.

Lets just wait and see.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:57 PM
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25. And then what will they do? Recount?
How?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:01 PM
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27. No if it completely lopsided then all hell will break loose

I guarantee you.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 12:55 PM
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24. Stop smearing the union, and by extension, Obama. The hypocrisy
of attacking Obama for remarks on Reagan, while at the same time engaging in union bashing is quite apparent.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:00 PM
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26. Good luck with that.
Obama supporters were happy to bash the teachers union for daring to protest the unfairness of the casino caucus set up.

Hypocrites much?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:19 PM
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31. Being opposed to voter intimidation is "union bashing"?
Real unions don't intimidate their members.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:01 PM
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28. What does a baby crying sound like?
The Fix is in, so why wait for the caucus to announce the "result"?

We always ask our two year old "What does a baby crying sound like." She says, cutely, "Wah wah!"

I guess we have a new answer for her, though.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:05 PM
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29. promoting right-wing spin about union "bosses" is not smart
and we'll all - or all of us who care about the future of working people in this country - pay for it when we actually get a President who will sign Employee Free Choice Act.
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