Obama supportsers: Do not be discouraged if Clinton wins Nevada!

We have come so far, and now is not the time to become discouraged should we fall a little short of an outright win today. Clinton has been the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination for YEARS, and look at where we are now and how far we have come!

We won Iowa, proving that when people of every race, age, and gender have time enough to really get to know Obama, they vote for Obama!

We came within 3% of Clinton's "firewall" NH with very little time to campaign there!

Clinton's lead in national polls has continued to trend downward and has sunk to single digits!

The most recent poll in California shows the race tightening, within the margin of error!

Everywhere, Obama is trending up and folks are getting fired up for a real change and a new direction for America!

Last month in Nevada, we were down by almost 30 points! Do not be discouraged by the media spin today! This movement is gaining momentum no matter what they say!

If you live in Nevada please do everything you can! Every vote counts!

SI SE PUEDE!
YES WE CAN!

He has built up and cultivated a formidable grassroots organization that is giving the 20-year in the making (reads entrenched) Clinton Machine a run for their money.

FYI...this was a joke. Forgot to add the ;)

Absolutely! :hi:

We are ready to have the torch handed on to us tonight!! We are fired up and ready to go with just one week left to go here in SC!! :)

In Lake Carolina? I didn't get to come to the election dry run. I hope there'll be another opportunity.

I don't think they will be able to have another one before next Saturday. I do know they are still looking for volunteers on election day around here and I assume they would be in Columbia, as well. You should call the Columbia headquarters. Judging from the tactics in Nevada, we will need all the boots on the ground we can get next Saturday.

I got a yard sign and signed up to volunteer on election. In a few hours, I'll be attending the rally at the Convention center. Can't wait until the MLK rally tomorrow. Are you coming?

oui, on peut!
ja, man kann!

Gobama

How vile is that. HE DOES NOT HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE UFW. See for yourself.

http://us.f816.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=1831_11847596_2584_1866_2867_0_69409_7817_1103649103&Idx=1&YY=38480&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Inbox

Like I said over and over again...does this man come up with anything on his own?

I'm certain they won't label it a "popular consciousness" phrase. It was a movement founded by Cesar Chavez. It isn't Obama's to capitalize on.

if they know that it's a phrase coined by Dolores Huerta for UFW. Moreover, it seems that the Cesar Chavez Foundation is OK with people using the phrase.

"So I called an old acquaintance from college, Paul Chavez – Cesar’s grandson – and asked him if the family okayed Obama’s use of the slogan. Turns out, they had – through the Cesar Chavez Foundation, which keeps Chavez’s archives. "

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obamas_si_se_puede.html

I call BULLSHIT.

What else is new? He certainly hasn't shown his creative side, has he?

Obama’s “Si Se Puede!”
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When Obama invoked the specter of Cesar Chavez this week in a rally with the Culinary Workers Union in Nevada by proclaiming “Si Se Puede!” -- Chavez’s legendary rallying cry -- I was surprised. After all, the United Farm Workers, Chavez’s organization, had endorsed Hillary in May.

So I called an old acquaintance from college, Paul Chavez – Cesar’s grandson – and asked him if the family okayed Obama’s use of the slogan. Turns out, they had – through the Cesar Chavez Foundation, which keeps Chavez’s archives. “The foundation itself is comfortable with him using the slogan “Si Se Puede” and so is the UFW to a certain extent,” said Paul Chavez, who works with the foundation. “Being that the UFW is very strongly for organized labor and they have a very strong commitment to the Clinton camp there was some conflict internally. The way that it played out was that as long as any individual, whether it’s Hillary, whether it’s Obama, maintains and supports the standards of what the slogan is than we’re comfortable with it because we really feel that it shouldn’t be limited to just one camp. It’s a battle cry, a call to action whether it’s to voting or getting out and participating in the political process.”


http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/01/obamas_si_se_puede.html

Did Obama discuss the Secure Fence Act with the UFW and the Cesar Chavez Foundation? What a phony!
Wonder how all of the hispanics would feel IF THEY KNEW he sponsored a bill to BUILD A FENCE along the American/Mexican border? Wonder how that "maintains and supports the standards"...
Sure. I bet Chavez would get behind that 100%! NOT!!!

I lived through the marches. Those brave people earned the right to coin that phrase. Wonder how people would react if Edwards decided to start waving WE SHALL OVERCOME placards. Think about it.

Cesar's brother endorsed Clinton. He worked side by side with him for 20 years...right up until his death. Believe me, I'm not a Clinton supporter but creating a fake reality for one's own political gain leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Give me a f*cking break. See for yourself.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/cesar_chavezs_b.html

also connected to the founding of the UFW, work for Obama. Dolores Huerta has not been telling the truth, which is becoming a routine occurance when people ally themselves with the Clintons.

So what? That makes him GENUINE? Give me a break. Camp Obama. Ugh....

Wonder if that "ecclectic" team is supplying factual information such as the Secure Fence Act sponsored by Obama. You know, the one that supports a fence being constructed along the American/Mexican Border. How the hell does that serve the hispanic immigrants in this country? Wonder how that is working for them...

It's not about Dolores Huerta. It's not even about Chavez. It's about integrity and truth. Why aren't we seeing any of that re: his voting record? Nevermind.

What cause is Barack fighting for, eh? It's just more of the same. He thinks he can "conveniently" attach himself to any cause at any time, doesn't he? He hasn't marched a day in his life, has he?

It's shameful on its face.

Here's just one example, marching with these strikers for years.
http://cbs2chicago.com/politics/Barack.Obama.Congress.2.338277.html

He's the one that is standing up for immigrants' rights to drive, not a very popular opinion.

And the requirement for the fence to be built was actually removed from that act. It authorizes money, it doesn't require a fence. The rest of the security measures can be enacted while the installation of fences can be fought.

Here's the link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

Congressional Action
The Fence Act passed 80-19 in the Senate on September 29, and it was passed 283-138 in the House on September 14 with the majority of Democrats voting "no" and the Republicans "yes". The majority of House Republicans were joined by 64 Democrats while only six Republicans voting against it.

Critics of the bill have said that the border is 2,000 miles long, not 700 and that people will just try harder to go over the wall. House Democrats have referred to the wall as the new "Berlin Wall" and have said that it would only push illegal immigrants deeper into the inhospitable deserts as they search for a place to come across where there isn't a wall.<3> The supporters said that it was an important step in trying to secure the nations borders by controlling illegal immigration and drug trafficking.




Votes in the House of Representatives
Party Yes No
Democrat 64 131
Republican 216 6


Appropriation
After the bill was passed, Senate Republicans suggested that there wouldn't be any money appropriated to the bill so House Armed Services Chairman Duncan Hunter wrote a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff informing them that the bill didn't suggest that the fence be built, it ordered it to be built. To ensure that the fence would be built, Hunter mentioned the fact that the language in the Homeland Security law that would withhold $950 million if they didn't go along with the plan within 60 days. Soon afterwards was when the President Bush signed the bill into a law. <4>

Congress approved a homeland security spending bill that was separate from the Secure Fence Act that would allocate $1.2 billion dollars to put the plan into action, although some people believe that some where near $5 billion is what is actually needed to put the plan into action. An additional $3 billion was included on October 3rd in the Defense Appropriations Bill. But by November 13 when it was signed into law, these funds had been removed. They were cut from the bill in House-Senate committee. <5>


Eventually funds might be allocated towards completion of the project.<6>

<snip>

The truth of it is he VOTED for this bill and had nothing to do with the funds being removed.

Depending on what happens on Super Tuesday I think that this might be headed towards a brokered convention.

Reagan lover bullshit.

Besides Wes Clark (a GREAT leader,BTW..don't see many men/women who wore the uniform in the Hill/Bill ranks...care to offer any analysis?)


"Gentlemen, prepare to defend the perimeter!"
~ 2nd Lt. GG, circa. 1972

that if Obama wins it is because of the union. Kind of weird. I still think NV favors Clinton, so it will be a real coup if Obama were to take it.

Kinda like every poll in NH had Obama up.

I kind of expect him too. If he loses SC i'll be quite a bit more bummed though.

South Carolina? Air Strikes!

Not to pass judgment or anything, but I will...

What a screwy system. The organized gamesmanship of horse trading in caucuses is bad enough. So now we have to guess who gets more added juice; Union reps watching their members line up live at the work place or rural voters who get their votes weighed 10X that of more urban voters.

Honestly, and I say this now before any results are in that can bias my opinion, I am beginning to think that whatever results come out of this caucus round should simply be discarded and ignored as irrelevant to anything.

On top of everything else there is no established tradition of caucus going in Nevada so the sample who actually participate today are extremely unlikely to be representative of the public at large. The Nevada caucus was originally intended to be tucked in between Iowa and New Hampshire when it's actual impact on the race would have loomed much smaller than it does now. I don't think anyone saw this day coming the way it has.

in NH and that was a primary state. Primaries are supposed to be much easier to poll than caucuses.

vote? (Not that it's direct or universal either).
We seem to be behind most of the third world countries in our electoral set ups. Add to that taking delegates away from 2 states and the fanatic guarding of the privilege of 2 tiny states - and its the most undemocratic system one can come up with.
It's been over a century, BTW since the Unviersal Declaration of Human rights have included Universal, equal, secret and direct voting.
We seem to be going backwards.

tightened the race. The only reason they think he MAY win is due to the CWU endorsement. I haven't watched CNN so I don't know how THEY will spin it, but today MSNBC has been honest.

Check out the tapes for yourself.

Super delegates are political hacks and office holders that automatically get a seat and a vote at the convention regardless of the outcome of any primary or caucus. Hillary has 140 super delegates committed to her.

portion of The American Presidency.
To cut to the chase: They are like "reeds in the wind" NON-BOUND.

Obama is climbing in the polls.

He'll do it!

Hey, Hill & Bill !?!



"Incoming !!!!!!!!!!!!"

Heads up buddy. :thumbsup: :hi:

Edwards will endorse Hillary in exchange for a promise to renegotiate NAFTA and CAFTA, and Hillary will get the convention to vote to seat her delegates from Michigan and Florida.

Not an outcome that I am looking forward to, but a very plausible and one that will also follow the rules and not be seen as a stolen nomination.

A perception that the nomination was stolen would be the worst possible outcome of this process.

Just call in "Tac Airstrikes" in South Carolina

"Prepare to defend yourselves !"
2nd Lt. G.G., 1972.

"Prepare to defend yourselves ! Lock & Load !"

We must not let our sites get too high in Nevada.

However, IF Obama wins (unlikely) it will mean Hillary is in a lot of trouble.

"SADDLE-UP for South Carolina (it will be Obamas 'manic minute' !)"

whether he pulls votes in the south from Hillary, the importance of him staying in the race to the end. He drives the message of populism and I want his health care plan over the other two.

So hears the quandary: Should I stay with Edwards Feb 5 here in Ca. Or go ahead and switch to Obama? I like both. I think Edwards would give his delegates to Obama in a brokered convention before he would Hillary. If you think thats wrong I would like to hear it and why. Which vote would help keep Edwards in the race but keep Hillary from walking away with the lions share of Calif. delegates. Here outsourcing and ties to the India tech business leaders(hurting Silicon Valley jobs for middle America) is the single biggest reason I would switch if it could keep her from winning. My biggest reason I like Obama is that he would include nurses(the real patient advocates without any self interest, I am an RN) at the table when putting a universal health plan together and one other reason is he has an ability to bring so many people together and can unite this country and show the world we are truly on a new footing.

:hi: :applause:

about the same number of delegates. The same with the last couple of states. They have roughly the same number of delegates, and everybody is talking about who is winning - it's a long, long way to 2,020 from here! (And don't tell me about super-delegates, because they don't mean a thing until Denver and until they sign the paper).

I wonder how many media outlets will mention how far down Obama was in the Nevada polling a couple weeks age.

Settle in with a box of popcorn, this is gonna take a while! :popcorn:

On a Barack Obama presidency in 2008 until after the super Tuesday results, but he will never loose my support for whatever his future plans are.