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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:06 PM
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Why a strong second place finish in NV is good for Obama
Clinton has been ahead in NV for months, sometimes by as much as 20 points.

Clinton has made a long and concerted effort to win Latino voters. Latinos like Bill Clinton. A strong second place finish for Obama will show that Hillary does not have a monopoly on those voters.

The Clinton machine has been entrenched in NV. Remember the NV debate a couple months ago? The crowd was cheering everything Hillary said, and would often boo and hiss when Obama spoke.

A strong second place (3-5 points within Hillary) will show that Obama is gaining steam nationally, and growing stronger heading into South Carolina.

Today's caucus is Hillary's to lose. If Obama can just keep it close, he has a moral victory in my book.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:10 PM
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1. Exactly, but the media has their script
If Clinton wins, it's a "miraculous comeback" from losing the CWU vote and having all those nasty (:cry:) ads against her.

If Obama wins, it was "expected". Never mind that he never led in any polls except outliers.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:12 PM
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2. Shame
Hillary has been ahead in NV for months.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:13 PM
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3. You've been lowballing expectations and spinning this same line
for the last three days
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:17 PM
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4. It's called critical analysis.
Hillary is expected to win the NV caucuses. Look at the polls, money, infrastructure, local endorsements.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:19 PM
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5. Expected by whom? Not me.
Those casino caucuses may make a huge difference and there's no way to know till we get the results. But spin away, darling.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:23 PM
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6. Obama was endorsed by the union that basically controls much of the caucus
who are you kidding?
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:26 PM
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7. The polls don't reflect that at all.
Hillary was favored by double digits as little as two weeks ago. Has Obama whittled away at her lead? Perhaps. But she is clearly still favored to win there. A strong second is good news for the Obama camp.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:30 PM
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8. the polls have nothing to do with the caucuses
the caucuses are all about pressure, arm twisting and intimidation.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:31 PM
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9. They predicted Iowa pretty well.
Hillary is favored in all of them.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:52 PM
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18. SPIN SPIN SPIN!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:53 PM
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11. Not only do I agree
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 01:53 PM by rocknation
I thought of it first:

...(Hillary's) winning "handily" is the key, (b)ecause if she wins by only a couple of points, her opponents will not back down--and the voters will start seeing her as a mere mortal.
--Rocknation, Nov. 18

:headbang:
rocknation
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:56 PM
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12. good call
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:38 PM
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10. It would be devastating because he had every advantage. It would mean failure as a candidate.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:57 PM
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14. Except the party structure, name recognition, and money.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:58 PM
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15. What advantage?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 01:58 PM by Drunken Irishman
Clinton is coming off a surprise win in New Hampshire.
Clinton is far more known across the state than Obama.
Clinton has poured more money into the state than Obama.
Clinton held a commanding lead just a month ago.

The only advantage Obama has is the fact he received the union endorsement.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:57 PM
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13. Maybe on the interweb, but -- and this is from an Obama supporter -- a loss will sting badly.
A victory for Hillary could give her some serious mo heading into So. Carolina, which might tilt a tight race. If Obama wins Nevada, he should easily win South Carolina and will probably win the nomination. If he loses Nevada, it's entirely possible he'll lose South Carolina too and then he's done.

But even if he wins South Carolina on the heels of a Nevada loss, Clinton will still have an advantage in many key Super Tuesday states.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:13 PM
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16. Of course, it is based on how it is all spinned......
The only advantage that Obama has is that some in the media get him.....but it ain't enough.

The clinton machine is gonna roll over any Democrat stand in their way....

Then in November, they will have drug all of us into the mud so far, till we will need shovels just to get out.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:49 PM
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17. Don't worry, I think Obama will win Nevada.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:55 PM
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19. Will a win work?
That's what I feel coming down the pipe.
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