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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:54 PM
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Obama has 23 years experience:
"Remembering the values of empathy and service that his mother taught him, Barack put law school and corporate life on hold after college and moved to Chicago in 1985, where he became a community organizer with a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment."

http://www.barackobama.com/learn/meet_barack.php

Hey-if Hillary can claim 35 years of experience, Obama can claim 23 years of experience.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:57 PM
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1. I think that's fair
And by that methodology, Edwards has 30 years of experience.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:04 PM
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6. He's free to say so. n/t
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:58 PM
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2. And Clinton has 35 years of exp.
I've always said, Obama will be ready to be prez by 2020.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:03 PM
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5. She says that all the time. I never heard Obama say he has 23 years of experience.
Hillary's "35 years of experience" does NOT mean she'd make a good president. Look at how many years of experience Cheney has.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:04 PM
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7. That's the worst logic I've ever heard
"Experienced doctors have made mistakes, therefore, I would prefer to have an inexperienced doctor perform surgery on me"
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:10 PM
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8. Then you're not logical...
Obama has 23 years of experience PLUS better judgement than Hillary.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:13 PM
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9. Judgement is relative
Having a 100% similar voting record on issues such as Iraq, doesn't sound like better judgement to me. Experience is measurable, and Clinton has much more of it than Obama.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:16 PM
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11. Predicting exactly what would happen if we invaded Iraq like he did was a pretty big deal.
He does NOT have a 100% similar voting record with Hillary on Iraq.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:19 PM
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13. This all ties back to the larger message
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 02:29 PM by Lirwin2
Obama likes to talk, but he usually fails to deliver. Sure, Obama spoke out. Did he act? Why did it take him 18 months before going to the floor of the senate to speak out on the issue of Iraq (This was the speech where he spoke out AGAINST timed withdrawls)?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:25 PM
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14. Nice attempt at spinning his great judgement.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 02:26 PM by jenmito
And he sponsored the Iraq De-Escalation Act. It's not his fault that your candidate helped get us into this mess. She should've listened to Obama instead of Bush and her husband.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:27 PM
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15. Why are you dodging my question?
Why did it take him 18 months before going to the floor of the senate to speak out about Iraq? I thought he had strongly opposed the war from the start? Why 18 months?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:33 PM
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17. I'm not dodging anything. I'm correcting you about them having identical voting records.
He voted to support the troops as well as trying to pass legislation to bring troops home. How long did it take Hillary to turn against the war?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:44 PM
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21. Umm no offense, but you're seriously misinformed
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 02:45 PM by Lirwin2
I would suggest checking out this site: http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/mar/29/comparison_of_hillary_and_obama_votes_on_iraq

Compare And Contrast: Hillary And Obama's Votes On Iraq
By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld | bio
Since the comparison of the Iraq positions over the years of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is one of the hottest issues of the campaign, we thought it would be useful to post a comprehensive comparison of all of their votes on everything relating to the Iraq war.

So here it is: A massive compilation of Iraq-related bills -- and the votes by Hillary and Obama on them, side by side -- beginning in early 2005, when Obama first joined the Senate.


Of the total of 69 votes we compiled -- some significant, some not -- it turns out that the two differed on only one. You'll see that one in bold on our chart. But let us be clear: We are not posting this to suggest that their earlier difference at the start of the war -- their most important difference -- should in any way be overshadowed by these similarities. For many, that difference will remain paramount -- for good reason. We just wanted to add factual grist to what is but one component of the debate.

Edit: By the way, the one vote that they DID differ on, had Obama voting FOR Bush nominee General George Casey, with Hillary voting against him.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:56 PM
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23. Um, no offense, but not only does this not list the Iraq De-Escalation Act that Obama sponsored,
it's at a time when Hillary already turned against the then-unpopular war. Nice try. Maybe you can now answer my question above that you avoided.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:37 PM
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19. Obama doesn't want to remind us that 19 years of that experience is with Tony Rezko.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:38 PM
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20. Right. n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:34 PM
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18. Including her time spend in law school?
Umm, how does going to law school train someone to run our government? And yes, "35 years" includes her time at law school.

It doesn't.

And if she wants to start the clock at law school, then that's exactly where Obama should start his. Or even better yet, when he was a "community organizer". That's better executive experience than law school!
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:49 PM
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22. While in Law School, she helped in the impeachment process against Nixon
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 01:58 PM
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3. If she gets to count law school as "executive experience" then he gets to count..
Community organizing. Hell, at least he was "organizing", lol.

But, why shouldn't he be able to count law school too?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:14 PM
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10. He should!
Good point.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:01 PM
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4. Okay
23 years.

:shrug:
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:17 PM
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12. and yet he still refers to the PM of Canada as the President of Canada /nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 02:30 PM
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16. And Hillary referred to Musharraf as being a potential candidate. n/t
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