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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:11 PM
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Now... what about John Edwards?
This showing was particularly... dissapointing...
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:12 PM
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1. Yeah, I don't know how much longer he can go on. nm
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:14 PM
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6. Shocking, I thought he would do much better
I don't know what to think. He did so well in the last debate. I guess nobody watched that counts.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:12 PM
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2. I'm very shocked.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:13 PM
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4. I really feel sorry for him, because he's a great man. A very good candidate
with a message I thought would resonate on voters.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:13 PM
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3. I expected better from him
Perhaps around 15%.

He should probably drop out of the race now.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:13 PM
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5. Yeah, if you believe this was an "honest" caucus and voter intimidation and corruption
had "nothing " to do with it.But hey "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas", right?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:15 PM
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7. egggggzactly...NV became a pissing match between who would support
Obama vs Clinton...it became a FUKCING WAR!
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:15 PM
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8. It ain't adding up in my mind...sorry something is rotten in NV (n/t)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:15 PM
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9. C'mon, saracat. He put everything he had in Iowa, and he lost.
He lost in NH badly, he lost in NV very badly... what's up with that?
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:18 PM
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13. I'd like to find out what company provided the automated call in votes
from the precincts.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:20 PM
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15. actually he barely ran any ads there.
South Carolina is more important
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:58 PM
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26. Well might you ask. This was obvious. But all will come out in the wash.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:17 PM
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10. Come on, this is sour grapes
Edwards just doesn't have that much support. He put all his eggs in Iowa and it didn't happen.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:42 PM
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38. He came in 2nd in Iowa ahead of Clinton and Edwards has a lot of support, not that
the corporate owned news will admit such.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:18 PM
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12. I agree
Caucus's are the worst thing I have seen. I have already heard stories of people in the unions being told who to vote for, and with caucus goers not having to show any ID we don't know how many people were really legal to be voting! This system is stupid and even the repbublicans do it different, with the people being able to talk and try and sway votes, but in the end it's a one vote private ballot, and that's a hell of a lot better than what the dems have. Those union workers will do what they are told for fear of losing their jobs, and that's not democracy at work!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:41 PM
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25. I got married in Vegas!
And it didn't stay in Vegas. Unlike Britney!

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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:17 PM
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11. I was shocked by the numbers, but I stll want John to stay.
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dugggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:18 PM
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14. Edwards will be the KING maker at convention ...
or should I say perhaps Queen maker!
Neither Hillary or Obama might have 50%+ delegates at convention time.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:25 PM
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19. Neither Hillary or Obama might have 50%+ delegates at convention time
By staying in Edwards may syphon off enough anti-Hillary votes from Obama to ensure Hillary wins.

Is that what the Edwards supporters want?

After SC (if he has yet another poor showing) he and his supporters need to seriously rethink things, as staying in could do more damage to his anti-establishment (Hillary) cause than getting out and letting the only viable candidate that supports many of the same things a chance to win.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:30 PM
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22. Sure, Why Not? One Corporate owned Candidate is much like ANother!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:20 PM
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16. Compaints about fairness do not explain the results
I think for most of the population there is a natural tendency to focus on a two person race. Yes the media was not fair but McCain was also ignored and he was able to get through. Congratulations to the winners.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:21 PM
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17. this has been a two-person race from the get-go
It is what it is.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:27 PM
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21. Yes. With Hillary with an edge.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:24 PM
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18. Neither of the ANNOINTED ONES can win NATIONALLY
IMO. People will depart the Democratic Party in DROVES!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:00 PM
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27. And I'll be at the head of the drove line. ^_^
It's time the Dem party learn a very HARD lesson.

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publicatlarge Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:27 PM
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20. Dynamics of Nevada Caucus...
were all about 'Stop Obama'. Edwards got lost in that. There has always been something very strange about the rising of Barack Obama. The corporatists would never allow a populists movement/Edwards to get out of the starting gate. Edwards was always considered the major threat to their dominance of the government. The strategy? Use the influence of corporate money and corporate media to spin a tale of 'two super heros' and to marginalize Edwards early on.

The whole damn 'election' is controlled behind the scenes and is a farce. Democracy has become too vulnerable to manipulation, and most people are too uninformed and lack the diligence to realize what is happening in this country, and around the world.

Edwards is beginning to realize this - and wondering how he will adjust, and if he will go on.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:35 PM
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24. Agree, its the Obama - Clinton death match
Edwards gets lost in the big money and media battle between the two.

Edwards is under a lot of pressure from the corporatists/lobbyists.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 04:32 PM
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23. I'm not worried about it
its only 33 delegates. We have a long way to go until the convention.

Edwards does well with crossover and swing voters - they don't show up much for caucus votes.

We're in it until the convention.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:29 PM
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28. it is not merely a candidacy
It is a cause. We aren't going anywhere. We will only get stronger over time. There is no going back now.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:42 PM
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29. You're so right about that. However, I'm not sure how much time our nation
has left for a "cause"

There will be exhaustion and sleep after the election and coronation.. I mean, inauguration.

Then, gearing up for the midterms....

etc.

When do people take time to HEAR?
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Monty__ Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:42 PM
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30. He's not giving up....
and neither am I
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:33 PM
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31. He's a spoiler now. He's dividing the anti-Hillary vote.
How unfortunate.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:38 PM
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33. Oh, so you would just like us to cave and give our support to Obama?
Ain't about to happen.

Soaring rhetoric is inspiring, but it just doesn't do it for me.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:40 PM
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35. Co-sponsoring the biggest debacle in recent American history doesn't do it for me (nt)
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:42 PM
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36. Here is what does it for me! Educate yourself!
October 2001

John Edwards, Esq.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0110.green.html

He had it right then and he still has it right.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:37 PM
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32. He's Hillary's best friend....
As long as Hillary is in a debate with two men--they can't be critical of her or she will play the victim. Two men ganging up on her, how mean. JE has become Hillary's insurance for the nomination after South Carolina.
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:40 PM
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34. You people need to get with the program.
We SUPPORT THE CAUSES that Edwards supports.

Stop whining for the Edwards votes. You ain't getting them!
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:42 PM
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37. A lot of us support the causes Edwards supports...
Helping Hillary's DLC crowd to the White House isn't going to help those causes...
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:45 PM
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39. We support Edwards period.
Your insinuation that we need to back down and throw our support to Obama is insulting.

WE ARE NOT GIVING UP ON JOHN EDWARDS!
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