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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:01 PM
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Do You Think "Hillary the Hated" Is a GIFT TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!
I've heard that this is how most Republicans feel.
Any thoughts?
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:02 PM
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1. yes.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:14 PM
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16. I adore Senator Hillary Clinton
She is my Hero! So, just think if you can, that she will be our next President . In less than 30 days, she will secure the nomination and you won't have to fret anymore.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:49 PM
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39. Clinton represents lobbying interests, and Obama or Edwards do not. Clinton=lobbying corruption.
Of course, if you think her health-care lobbying scandals are all apple pie, that's up to you.

The GOP demonized her for the past 16 years, and there is no more obvious loser than she.

Moreover--now just consider this--I will not vote for her no matter what. I'm sure that doesn't bother you,
but I'm also sure that I'm not alone in being a democrat who would prefer not voting over voting for Hillary.
I would love to have a woman in office, but not her. She is corrupt, and will therefore never have my vote.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:02 PM
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2. I gave up caring how Republicans "feel"
when I realized in 1980 --that they don't feel a damned thing.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:04 PM
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6. Do their votes no longer count?
This is a democracy. You are forced to care.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:05 PM
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9. I live in NY State
I know very well how many Republican votes Hillary is able to get.


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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:09 PM
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13. But New York is a BLUE STATE<
How about swing states? Purple states.
I already overheard a man say "It may take a million women to get her in but it'd only take one man to get her out." Actually , he was the kind of an ignorant possible violent man that scares me!
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:12 PM
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14. Upstate and Long Island
have a great deal of Republican voters. Hillary needed an awful lot of Republicans to win New York State.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:15 PM
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17. Has New York State Gone RED in Recent History?
? In a Presidential Race?
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:19 PM
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19. Nope
But ask D'amato if it ever elected a Republican Senator.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:40 AM
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60. And Pataki defeated Cuomo for re-election as Governor, and.
New York City elected and reelected Rudy as Mayor, and the New York State Senate is still controlled by Republicans.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:55 PM
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68. Best. Post. Ever.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:02 PM
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no
she's won over NY upstate and she's winning over a lot of indies.

my husband being one of them, and he's talked to several co-workers who are leaning the same way
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:01 PM
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50. She almost lost NY, despite years of hardcore dem support in New York.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:14 PM
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54. really?
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:19 PM
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57. Okay, you've got a really cool myspace room. And yes... really.
The longer one researches Hillary, the clearer one's mind becomes. Please, take a look at the information.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:59 PM
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70. Lost NY? I recall she trounced Lazio (by runnung against W too) - in spite of MSM
against her. And I don't recall - was there even a GOP-er running against her this time? I remember then dropping out, way before the election. Can't even recall an opponent in the GE. DO YOU????
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:02 PM
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3. yes
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:03 PM
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4. No. They fear her because she is twice as smart as any of them
They so desperately want Obama to win. And you can tell that by the propaganda right-wing media coverage. Obama never has any bad press. Clinton rarely has good press coverage. They want him to win the nomination becasue he cannot win the general
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:06 PM
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10. see , I don't think she can win in a general election!
I wish she was doing Nancy Pelosi's job though.
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:07 PM
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12. This is what I believe..
I will be watching the repugs faces as they are reporting, they want Obama to win because they have plenty of ammunition they plan to use against him. He seems to be pandering I believe that they are voting for him whenever they can to knock off Hillary.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:04 PM
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51. They have 16 years of ammunition against Hillary. They have lies against Obama.
Against Hillary, they have the truth: she is a corrupt politician who takes millions in lobbyist's money.

I will never vote for her. Therefore, if this election goes her way, your party will lose my vote.

Consider this: I am not alone.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:45 AM
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61. Their 16 years of ammunition have been proven to be lies, most of them by our legal system
I am honestly comforted to know that Republicans ousted the first Republican Special Prosecutor of the Clintons so that they could install special attack dog Ken Starr instead to that position, and that he wasted over 50 millions of taxpayer money going after the Clintons (the blow job had nothing to do with it until the very end) using every tool in the DA trick book - (including the power to compell cooperaton with his probe or be left to rot in jail) and came up with zilch, nada, that could be used against Hillary or Bill Clinton.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:01 PM
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71. And she has 16 years of experience fighting them. Obama thinks he can charm them
and his supporters imagine MSM can't attack him - he's too likable....Right. No Dem stays likable running against a GOP-er.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:03 PM
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5. Yes. She is the GOPs GOTV machine...n/t
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:04 PM
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7. yes, but that isn't why I don't support her.
I think Obama (or Edwards) would be a better president.

But yes, I think republicans will turn out en masse to vote against her, more than they will against either Obama or Edwards.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:22 PM
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24. I feel precisely as you do.
Thanks for expressing it more eloquently than I could. :-)
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:05 PM
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8. I think the GOP is controlling this campaign just like they have the last few.
If Hillary is the Dem nominee, they are going to throw it all at her again: Whitewater, the BJ, her days as a lawyer, etc., etc., etc.

But Hillary is tough, and I think she will be able to endure it. But will the American people be able to endure it?

I think there's bad news forthcoming regarding some of Barack's past dealings. He's pretty close to that Rezko guy, and that will be a gift to the GOP. I don't think Obama can take it, either. They'll shred him to bits.

Hillary will ensure the Republicans turn out to vote, though, so in that sense, they will be quite happy.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:33 AM
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58. I'm Afraid It will get real ugly real fast.
.
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beberocks Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:07 PM
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11. They'll find a way to hate whomever the Dem candidate is
For example, they'd be able to gin up plenty of hate against Obama because he is black and Muslim (as per their propaganda, I know it is not true). Edwards is a trial lawyer, etc.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:13 PM
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15. They don't have to find a way with Hillary. They already hate her...
At least they'd have to come up with a reason to hate Obama...and sell it.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:17 PM
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18. Yes, She's Ticked off a lot of people over the years...
and for a lunch box liberal like myself the photos of Rupert Murdoch with his arm around her and the fact that Sam Walton called her his "little lady.' gives me pause.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:19 PM
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20. for years
they have been slamming her for 8 years. Its not new talk for them.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:20 PM
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21. no. unless she faces McCain, she'll do fine. n/t
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:51 PM
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65. What do you want to bet that McCain will be the R's nominee? n/t
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:21 PM
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22. No.
I think she freaks them out, though.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:55 PM
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42. She's a blessing to the GOP--I will not vote for her ever, and I represent masses of democrats.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 09:56 PM by awaysidetraveler
We are sick of corruption, and that's what she represents.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:56 PM
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46. I also will never vote for her
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:21 PM
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no
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:56 PM
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45. Why?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:21 PM
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23. no
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:57 PM
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47. Why again?
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:23 PM
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25. Yes
Wrap it up and put a bright red bow on it.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:38 PM
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26. Okay, I am going to write this again to all that believe the rethugs
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 05:39 PM by BenDavid
are over their licking their lips in hopes HRC is the nominee.....Too many right wing strategists are girding for the wrong fight. They are acting and talking like they'll be facing (the late) Leona Helmsley, the notorious "Queen of Mean" when the right wing candidate faces off against HRC. What the right fails to understand that will not be the HRC they'll be confronting in November. As I said many times before this is over, HRC's candidacy will have more in common with Amelia Earharts first tran-Atlantic flight or Sally K. Ride's first trip into space then Helmsley's heartlessness. In so doing the right who are eager to face HRC completely fail to grasp the crucial role that SYMBOLISM plays in politics. HRC's bid to be the first ever woman president of the United States, and folks, THAT IS A BIG DAMN DEAL. It will overshadow every issue and image in the campaign as it draws closer and closer to November.

To those that believe HRC has too high negatives. Well, what you might be over-looking is the fact that HRC's negatives are clustered mainly among Republicans and right leaning independents who are unlikely to vote for her in any circumstance.Among Democrats and Democrat leaning independents HRC's unfavorabel is at the 40% mark and that is damn good. A little history here, between 2005 and 2007 HRC's negatives from PURE INDEPENDENTS were 46% favorable and 41% unfavorable. That too is damn good....

So, I write this again in hopes you understand the right are not over their licking their lips wanting HRC to become our nominee, because HRC will be one tough Democrat to beat.

I do thank you
Ben David
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:46 PM
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27. You Really Think SO? With photo ops with Rupert Murdach and having been ...
on the board at Wal Mart and close personal friend of Sam Walton?
You really think Lunch box Liberals are going to be lining up to vote for her?
'Cause I don't!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:08 PM
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34. I don't think so either
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 06:09 PM by Samantha
The real pity of this situation is that the DLC, I repeat, the DLC is once again winning with its candidate. And no one here is even noticing. That same refrain the DLC always plays, when the primaries are over everyone must unite, is playing now. And the second chorus, of course, if you do not vote for the Democratic candidate, you cast a vote for the Republican intermittently tunes in. And that's how the conservative side of our party always wins over the people's choice.

For some time now, posters at this website have recoiled against the power of the DLC over the base. For some time now, posters at this website have recoiled at the policies embraced by that very conservative organization. For some time now, posters at this website recoiled over that conservative element of this party embracing a pre-emptive war. For some time now, posters at this website have been infuriated at the refusal of our party leaders to look at impeachment of a president and vice president who they felt committed war crimes.

But putting all that aside, the DLC is now winning and is beckoning to the voters of this party and this Country to back its candidate for historical reasons -- she is a woman. That's insulting on its face. This campaign should be based on the issues for which we have felt passion, not our gender preference as to who should occupy that seat in the Oval House, and not our racial preference for a man of color to occupy that seat also for purely historical purposes.

This election is too important to allow our preferences for race or gender to trump our position on the electrifying issues we have passionately discussed prior to the start of this campaign. Do we as DU'ers suffer from short-term memory loss? Where is our passion for these discussions we have been promulgating the last few years -- in the toilet where the DLC stands poised to flush them down the drain?

Are we being played for fools, or are we simply fools ....

Sam
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:10 PM
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35. Good Point
!
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:59 PM
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48. No, Hillary is merely corrupt, which is why I refuse to ever--ever--ever vote for her.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:53 PM
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41. Clinton represents lobbying interests, and Obama or Edwards do not. Clinton=lobbying corruption.
How is that the wrong fight?
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:49 PM
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28. wasn't she Hillary the Hobbit to you a little while ago? lol. nt.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:50 PM
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29. She's THAT AND SO MUCH MORE!
Some of which cannot be repeated in polite company!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:51 PM
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30. what are you, a concerned Democrat? nt.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:55 PM
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31. I'm a WORKING CLASS DEMOCRAT! You know
The ONES "LATTE LIBERALS " like Hill and Bill have shut out for years!
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 05:58 PM
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32. can you define "latte liberal"?
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:15 PM
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37. Sure, They are The faction that took over the party in '72
They attend the same Prep Schools and Ivy League Universities as The Republican Ruling Elite and really only separate themselves from their old school chums by espousing one "Social Issue " or another. They ridicule and resent working class people and are often as fiscally conservative as their Republican cohorts. They Support NAFTA AND Globalization.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:48 AM
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62. You might want to check out the demographics on which income groups
are siding with Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries compared to Obama. She is not the one locking up the "latte liberal" vote.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:01 PM
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33. Yes. The GOP will be merciless - they are salivating at the chance.
I can't believe so many Democrats have blinders on to what will happen. More division, more ugliness, more establishment.
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stravu9 Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 08:46 PM
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38. I Really hope for all our sakes...
Bill has been keeping his pants up!
I don't know if I could go through another Monica-Jennifer-Paula debacle again!
I don't think such things should be part of the political discourse but you know if there is dirt to dig up they will find it if they haven't already and are just saving it up!
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:13 PM
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36. yes.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:51 PM
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40. She's been demonized by the GOP for 16 years, and her name should be Patsy as that's what she is.
She's the best thing for the GOP since apple pie.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:55 PM
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43. YES
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:56 PM
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44. yup. most republicans seem to acknowledge hillary's much easier to beat
than obama.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 09:59 PM
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49. Of course she is! The Repubs. are probably happier with each win by the Clintons...
yes, the Clintons. Not Hillary alone.
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:13 PM
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52. Don't fool yourself that they fear Obama
He would be a close second to Hillary.

The only Democrat that would scare Republicans is John Edwards. Edwards has fought the interests that control the political system and have a stranglehold on our tenuous Democracy.

He is to be marginalized at all costs. If you watch even MSNBC ( supposedly more liberal with KO ), they report on FIVE Republicans, even Ghouliani, who has yet to do better than 4% anywhere.

Yet, Edwards was marginalized since Iowa, where he came in second. Go figure.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:39 PM
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55. Don't fool yourself that they don't...
He'd be nearly impossible to beat since they don't have people who've been hating him for years, he has LOTS of cross-over appeal, and he's new, representing change, unlike Hillary AND Edwards. Edwards is a phony whose record doesn't match his rhetoric.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:14 PM
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53. Short answer
Yes
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:40 PM
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56. Sure. That explains why Republicans will just start dying when Hillary takes office.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:40 PM by Perry Logan
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:35 AM
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59. All this crap about Hillary Clinton has turned me into a supporter.
I wasn't that keen on Hillary Clinton, but I'm very impressed with the way that she's handled these relentless attacks - coming from her own damn party, no less!

You go, Hillary.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:25 PM
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64. Yup. Exactly what all the Republican attacks will do to voters in Nov.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 PM
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63. Nope. The Dems hated GW Bush in 2004...look where that got us.
Also, Republican attacks on her will work in her favor.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:52 PM
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66. Who is "Hillary the Hated"?
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:54 PM
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67. The real gift for the Repulicans inside the Hillary package is
the opportunities to either pick up or keep legislative seats in state and national races.

Dems in red and purple states are dreading a Clinton run for this reason.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:57 PM
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69. No, and I don't give a flying fuck what the Republicans think.
Or say.
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