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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:55 PM
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Breaking: Obama WON Nevada. For Real.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 PM by ProSense
Breaking: Obama WON Nevada. For Real.:

OBAMA WINS MOST NEVADA DELEGATES...
Barack Obama may have won the most delegates in Saturday's Nevada Caucus, even though Hillary Clinton bested his statewide turnout by about six points.

A source with knowledge of the Nevada Democratic Party's projections told The Nation that under the arcane weighting system, Obama would win 13 national convention delegates and Clinton would win 12 delegates. The state party has not released an official count yet.

Barack Obama released an official statement celebrating a delegate victory. "We came from over twenty-five points behind to win more national convention delegates than Hillary Clinton because we performed well all across the state, including rural areas where Democrats have traditionally struggled," he said.

A current estimate of the national convention delegate count is below, though not all precincts have fully reported.

District 1 Clinton 3, Obama 3

District 2 (Washoe) Clinton 1, Obama 2

District 2 (Rural) Clinton 0, Obama 1

District 2 (Clark) Clinton 1, Obama 1

District 3 (Clark) Clinton 2, Obama 2

At-Large Clinton 2, Obama 1

PLEO Clinton 3, Obama 3

UPDATE: The Obama Campaign is now pushing hard to promote this delegate victory. The campaign is convening a post-caucus conference call for reporters -- something that only winning campaigns usually do -- and circulating numerous Clinton quotes about how delegates are the only thing that matter. From the new press release:

Senator Obama was awarded 13 delegates to Senator Clinton's 12. As Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson said, "This is a race for delegates...It is not a battle for individual states. As David knows, we are well past the time when any state will have a disproportionate influence on the nominating process. (Washington Post, 1/16/08)


Obama wins delegate battle in Nevada

by Sam Graham-FelsenSaturday, January 19, 2008 at 06:35 PM

Statement from Barack Obama...

We’re proud of the campaign we ran in Nevada. We came from over twenty-five points behind to win more national convention delegates than Hillary Clinton because we performed well all across the state, including rural areas where Democrats have traditionally struggled. The reason is because tens of thousands of Nevadans came out to say that they’re tired of business-as-usual in Washington and ready for a President who can bring this country together, take on the lobbyists and special interests, and end the politics of saying and doing whatever it takes to win an election. It is the kind of politics that feeds our cynicism and distracts us from taking on the real challenges facing America – an economy that’s left working families struggling, a broken health care system, and a war in Iraq that must end.

We ran an honest, uplifting campaign in Nevada that focused on the real problems Americans are facing, a campaign that appealed to people’s hopes instead of their fears. That’s the campaign we’ll take to South Carolina and across America in the weeks to come, and that’s how we will truly bring about the change this country is hungry for.

Statement from Obama campaign manager David Plouffe...

We currently have reports of over 200 separate incidents of trouble at caucus sites, including doors being closed up to thirty minutes early, registration forms running out so people were turned away, and ID being requested and checked in a non-uniform fashion. This is in addition to the Clinton campaign’s efforts to confuse voters and call into question the at-large caucus sites which clearly had an affect on turnout at these locations. These kinds of Clinton campaign tactics were part of an entire week’s worth of false, divisive, attacks designed to mislead caucus-goers and discredit the caucus itself.

We will investigate all of these thoroughly and would encourage anyone who had concern about actions at the caucus sites to call (866) 675-2008.


Note: That's with Hillary winning most of those at-large caucuses she complained about.


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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:57 PM
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1. Obama=sore loser.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
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7. I think you mean sore winner
:)
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:04 PM
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25. I meant what I said.
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:25 PM
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65. Clinton represents lobbying interests, and Obama or Edwards do not. Clinton=lobbying corruption.
Why do you want her to win?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:27 AM
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72. BHO is as deep into corporate America as HRC.
They both suck wind. A pox on them both. Onward to a brokered convention where we can nominate a real Democrat.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
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In the end it's all about delegates.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 PM
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20. To be expected, sad, but expected.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:57 PM
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2. and he's proving that he is more electable in November
why? Hillary's stronghold is LV which the Dem nominee will win anyhow in November. He's proving he can win in the smaller rural areas we need to carry the state in November.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
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5. Democrats are going to vote Dem anyway in November, whether in Vegas or the desert
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:07 PM
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56. You obviously don't understand Nevada Democrats
We used to be called the Mississippi of the West for a reason. The only real question that was settled here today was that those in the sticks dislike women slightly more than they dislike blacks. Makes sense, seeing as in rural Nevada, there aren't really any blacks. Hard to be an active racist when there aren't any around I suppose, but it's damn easy to be sexist. There are always women around needin' to be kept down.

In other words, yes. It sadly makes a difference. For all the wrong reasons, it makes a difference.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:57 PM
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3. wow! is this true?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:57 PM
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4. Wow... incredible!
I don't understand the whole delegate thing, honestly.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
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6. So he DID win!? Ha, awesome!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
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17. well, not really
Clinton leads the overall race for delegates with 237, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. She is followed by Obama with 135 and former Sen. John Edwards with 50.

A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/mochila.php?articleId=11834697&channelId=76&buyerId=talkingpointsmemo_com400732&buid=866

(even if the delegates went 13 for Obama and 12 for Hillary, he's still lagging w-a-y behind in the overall delegate count)
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:09 PM
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40. the whole superdelegate thing smacks of cigars and backroom deals...
Rather demeans the whole primary when the party power players get to have votes worth more than the people.

Each regular delegate is the aggregate of a lot of votes, the superdelegates are not. They are people in power who get to steer the election to the annointed one.

Seems unDemocratic.




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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:14 PM
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46. unless, of course, the Superdelegates are supporting your candidate
and then it's fantastic. :evilgrin:
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:17 PM
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even then I believe it slaps Democracy upside the head... It says the party leaders do not
trust the voters with the decision of who our nominee should be.

That is not Democracy in action. That's disgraceful.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:22 PM
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53. I was actually discussing this last night at dinner with a long-time friend
who knows politics backwards and forwards and she was explaining to me that the Super-delegates are often the State Party members who have been there forever, know the State well and what the State's needs are, have an ear to what their Constituents want and are most likely to work with the Governor and the President to get what the States need from the next Administration. That's why you won't see too many Super-delegates switching once it becomes "obvious" who has momentum and who is more likely to get the Nomination.

Actually, it's not as unDemocratic as you make it sound ... or disgraceful. If those who are chosen as Super-delegates are aware of what's needed on the ground to make their States better, I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
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8. Viva Democracy!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:58 PM
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9. ahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Gooooobama!
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 PM
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19. not so fast
Clinton leads the overall race for delegates with 237, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. She is followed by Obama with 135 and former Sen. John Edwards with 50.

A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:03 PM
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23. superdelegates shmuperdelegates... What happened to Hillary's Nevada victory?
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:04 PM by JackORoses
It appears to be a phantom.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:07 PM
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first David Axelrod on MSNBC
and now his Supporters on DU. I'm beginning to think Obama and his ilk aren't very good at losing.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:59 PM
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10. That'll work.
:bounce:
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:59 PM
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11. if that's the case
he still lags behind by about one hundred overall delegates in the race.

from TPM:

Clinton leads the overall race for delegates with 237, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. She is followed by Obama with 135 and former Sen. John Edwards with 50.

A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/mochila.php?articleId=11834697&channelId=76&buyerId=talkingpointsmemo_com400732&buid=866

(although the article states the 13 for Hillary and 12 for Obama Nevada victory, even if that were reversed, she'd still lead by a large margin in overall delegates)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
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15. super delegates chosen when she was the media's 'inevitable'
they can change their minds.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:02 PM
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not that they will if she keeps on winning races like this
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:06 PM
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29. Superdelegates like John Kerry...
... already have. :-)
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:02 PM
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22. CNN is showing the delegate count in my sig banner
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 06:59 PM
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12. CNN shows it as Clinton 13 Obama 12
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:08 PM
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36. CNN fine print says "estimate"
it may be that they are basing on the percentages.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
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13. CNN, MSNBC says Clinton won most delegates. Obama campaign says he did
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:06 PM
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31. Now that's some real spinning!
:rofl:
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
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14. Yay!
Awesome news. GObama!

Fired up!
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:00 PM
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16. cool, another candidate that loses the popular vote but wins the electoral vote. nt
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:01 PM
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18. Has Obama given a speech tonight?

Don't they usually come out and talk to their supporters about the results? I wonder if that is planned for tonight.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:02 PM
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21. That's not what CNN, MSNBC, etc. say. Besides, Clinton technically came in second in Iowa
because she got the second greatest number of delegates, but no one seems to count that.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:04 PM
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26. Andrea Mitchell and Olberman are both saying Obama won the delegate count
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:06 PM
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30. no they're not. They're saying the Obama campaign is claiming that.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:07 PM
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32. cnn.com and msnbc.com both show her with more delegates . . .
but I think the winner is still technically considered the person who gets the higher percentage of the vote, no? I mean, everyone was saying Hillary came in third in Iowa, even though she came in second among delegates.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:09 PM
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38. CHECK OUT THIS --CLINTON in ahead: by two
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:04 PM
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24. If true this is like Bush "winning" in 2000
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:05 PM
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27. EEEK!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:05 PM
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28. That's funny
You just have to love the completely whacked out contrived way some of these things are set up
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:07 PM
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33. Desperation
is when you say a loss is a win. PERIOD.

I used to think spinning was for tops, but since I have read the posts of Obama Nation on Reagan and now this LOSS, I officially award the spin title to Obama partisans.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:08 PM
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34. I think you forgot to add she also has 2 superdelegates

so far her total for Nevada is 15 according to CNN
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:08 PM
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35. look here--clinton is 2 ahead
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:12 PM
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43. That same page says Obama beat Clinton in New Hampshire - 12 to 11
So are superdelegates included in those totals? That's the only way the NH numbers make sense.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:16 PM
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48. Thats with supper deligates... check out the state page - both got 9
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:32 PM
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55. Thanks.
I find navigation on that site a bit confusing. :)
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #48
67. Also, although Hillary started out with more superdelegates, the vast majority are waiting it out.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:42 PM
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68. I thought superdelegates were not counted until the convention
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:53 PM by Samantha
The New York Times has the Nevada website with 25 total committed delegates. That means someone received 12 and someone received 13, if that total is correct. I assume it is inasmuch as it was just published.

I am editing this post to say:

I just clicked on your link. It was updated 2 minutes ago. This is a cut and paste from it:

Nevada

Updated 2 minutes ago Clinton 14
Obama 14

That is a total of 28 delegates. That's a different total number of available delegates than the New York Times reported. I am going back to check that link.

This is getting just too convoluted....

Edit #2:

Take a look at these vote totals posted by the New York Times:
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results...

Nevada’s Caucuses
Recent results: Iowa | Mich. | Nev. | N.H. | S.C. | Wyo. | More » Next contests: Fla. | More »
Results

25 pledged delegates, 8 unpledged
Candidate Vote % Delegates
Hillary Rodham Clinton 5,353 50.7%
Barack Obama 4,771 45.2
John Edwards 395 3.7
Uncommitted 31 0.3
Dennis J. Kucinich 5 0.0
Joseph R. Biden Jr. 0 0.0
Christopher J. Dodd 0 0.0
Mike Gravel 0 0.0
Bill Richardson 0 0.0
98% reporting | Updated 9:08 PM ET

The New York Times reflects Nevada has 25 pledged delegates and 8 unpledged.

Why are CNN and the New York Times reporting differently?

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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:09 PM
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69. The eight delegates are superdelegates, and they'll decide when they're convinced.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:10 PM by awaysidetraveler
CNN is posting the superdelegates from Nevada with the elected delegates, which is the second source of your confusion.

Hillary started out with many superdelegates pledged to her. It makes sense, as there's a lot of lobbying money at stake, and
she's the only candidate that's taking the money.

So to be more specific it's 13 Obama to 12 Hillary as far as elected delegates go.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:24 PM
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71. I am not confused, that's what I thought because the New York
Times referred to the delegates as "pledged." Those "pledged" delegates break out according to the votes by precinct. But the technicality is that the superdelegates, regardless when they are "identified" do not have votes that count until the convention. Isn't that correct? There have been times in recent history when desperate candidates have sought to change the votes of superdelegates right at the time of convention, so to me that is when they truly come into play, i.e., they literally count.

So the reason why the CNN has tacked on 3 more than are actually pledged is because it is "counting" the superdelegates right now, which simply adds to the confusion, or if one prefers, "the spin."

I am not trying to argue with you, I am just trying to get the jargon straight because this is only going to becoming more confusing as this campaign proceeds. All the major news sources should reflect the same available delegate count before the primary and after.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:08 PM
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37. Either way, it was another very close election
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:09 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
What is it, about 500 or 600 votes separating them? This thing is far from done.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:09 PM
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39. smacks of desperation when they scramble.


All anyone will see is that she won, end of story, she won the most votes.
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:10 PM
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41. Not really a win
I support Obama

But....

You need more people to win.

More delegates is a hollow victoy at best.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:12 PM
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42. Updated 2 minutes ago: Hill 15, Obama 13


Nevada
Updated 2 minutes ago

Clinton

15
Obama

13
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:13 PM
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44. and link:
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:48 AM
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76. check your link again.... it says 14 to 14. /nt
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:13 PM
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45. That same page says Obama beat Clinton in New Hampshire - 12 to 11
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:14 PM
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47. you didn't know that:?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:32 PM
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54. Actually, I didn't.
I vaguely remember now hearing that they each got the same number of delegates. But now that page shows Obama got 1 more. But someone upthread informs me that count includes superdelegates.

This all is a bit confusing, no?

and btw, msnbc.com has Obama 13, Clinton 12:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21229219
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:17 PM
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49. WRONG.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 07:20 PM by Harvey Korman
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:12 PM
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58. No:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:18 PM
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50. Hillary won the vote--She has the momentum: 3:1
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awaysidetraveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:12 PM
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70. Hillary won the media spin, but then given the lobbying money that was never a surprise.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:19 PM
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51. You said Kerry beat Bush, too, yet that doesn't look like him sitting in the WH (snicker)
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 07:20 PM
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52. here..maybe facts will cause you not to stroke....
Recent results: Nev.
Democrats
25 pledged delegates, 8 unpledged
Candidate Vote % Delegates
Hillary Rodham 5,317 50.8%

Barack Obama 4,729 45.1

John Edwards 393 3.8

Uncommitted 31 0.3

Dennis J. Kucinich 5 0.0 Delegates will be decided April 18-20 25 pledged delegates, 8 unpledged and if hrc is the nomineee she will get all 8 unpledged or vice versa

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:12 PM
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57. Updates:
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jenmarie Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:16 PM
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60. Spin
Caucuses are a joke. And not a funny one. From dday at digby's (who was there):

...
P.S.S.S. OK, I just spoke with Jill Derby, the head of the Nevada State Democratic Party. Regarding the Obama claim that he'll actually get more delegates out of this, essentially that's spin. Derby said that the caucuses are an "expression of the support of Nevadans today." Around 11,000 delegates were elected today. That will be winnowed down at county conventions and eventually at the state convention in May to the 25 that will go to Denver for the DNC. In 2004, Kerry didn't win every delegate on Election Day, but most of the delegates that eventually went to the DNC were his. Once there's a presumptive nominee, the delegate numbers are subject to change. It's non-binding.

If that makes your head spin, the short version is that this was a beauty contest, and you can't project delegate numbers at this time...


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:18 PM
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61. Hillary
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:15 PM
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59. Hoist by her own petard it appears.
All that deep rigging and she winds up the loser. Oh, I could cry buckets for that poor little Goldwater girl!

:rofl:
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:20 PM
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62. WTF are you talking about
As I said immediately, this is all SPIN.

Since I said that well before the post above mine, it seems I was right.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:25 PM
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64. Evidently Obama won more NV delegates than Hilly.
That's what I'm talking about.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:26 PM
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66. how is 13 to 12 spin?
those are numbers.
and according to the laws of mathematics we use on Earth, 13 is greater than 12
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:29 AM
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75. Zero...That is the number of NATIONAL delegates that have been awarded in Nevada as of now.
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:20 PM
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63. This is a race for delegates...It is not a battle for individual states
Clinton people, you made your bed, now sleep in it.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:28 AM
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73. Hillary got more votes. End of story.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:56 AM
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77. The votes have no purpose other then to elect delegates
Logically, it follows that whoever got the most delegates won the caucus.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 11:29 AM
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74. This is dumb
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