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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:38 PM
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Why did Clinton win the same voters Obama claimed she tried to "suppress"?
If the casino voters went for Clinton after Obama tried to blame her for the lawsuit, that tells me they either agreed with the Clinton's position or they didn't buy what Obama was selling or they were fiercely loyal to Clinton.

Why DID those same voters support her?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:40 PM
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1. The Casino voters rejected Obama's attempt to Swiftboat Clinton on Race.
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 10:40 PM by MethuenProgressive
And good for them for rejecting the dirty Chicago style politics.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:41 PM
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2. And the endless bullshit accusations of his followers.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:42 PM
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4. Good Gawd.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:00 PM
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13. I was thinking the same thing (although not exactly in your words)
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:48 AM
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25. That is exaclty what happened. Look at the vote.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:42 PM
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3. Because they are idiots.
Clinton didn't initiate the lawsuit, but you know full well that it was supported by those close to her and was only initiated after Obama's Iowa win.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:43 PM
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5. The fact that they supported it and when they supported it was never a secret
Bill went all out on it so they weren't trying to hide their support
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:56 PM
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9. Perfectly legal and transparent action.
Legal actions to secure or gain preference on the ballot are not unknown to Obama. Again, I stress LEGAL.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:11 AM
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21. Voters who are on the scene and involved are NOT idiots.
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:46 PM
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6. Union leadership doesn't always,......
reflect the views of the membership. My experience in a union (8 yrs) reflects this. More often than not, the membership was told what to believe and how to vote.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:48 PM
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7. I believe this was a classic example of people voting their own best interests
They didn't follow the orders of their union, which was vote Obama.

President Clinton must have been dead-on when he said he had people coming up to him saying they knew who their union supported, but THEY supported Sen. Clinton.

They were not willling to engage in group think.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:02 PM
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14. Culinary workers was only one union. There were a lot more than
just culinary workers eligible to vote at the casino caucus stations.

How about looking at what her lead was 3 weeks ago there, and comparing that to the percentage of her victory?

Looks a little less like a victory and more like a Dunkirk - avoiding disaster.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:03 PM
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15. Grow up....
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:14 PM
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18. Wassamatta u?
Don't get the Dunkirk reference? You probably read about it in high school. But then, you can forget a lot in five years.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:35 PM
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20. Dunkirk?
wasn't that an army fleeing from defeat after defeat needing rescue to survive, only to come back and win? An odd reference, to be sure. Seems to me that Hillary has actually won the last two head to head matchups, despite trailing in polls the day before each. What this suggests to me is that, at the end of the day, when it's time to pull the lever or stand in a corner, primary participants are simply more comfortable with Hillary, for whatever reason. People want to support Obam, and the more they see, the more they like him (hence the better polling) but when it counts, they don't. And I don't know why.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:47 AM
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24. "...despite trailing in the polls the day before each."
Again, never mind that three weeks before each she had a more than comfortable lead in each, which on the day of the voting was reduced to a skin-on-her-teeth win.

Got an explanation for that?
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:51 PM
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8. It seems the union vote split along the same lines as
national polls.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:56 PM
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10. they did a good job of spin in case they didn't win ...
things are going to get interesting as the Clintons plot and strategize their way across America to win 8 more years in the White House ...
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Tulkas Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 10:58 PM
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11. Because bill impressed the guys working in the hotels
If a former president asks a dishwasher or bellhop to caucus for someone, might he do it?



It is a disgrace that a former president behaves this way, even for the wife he cheated on.


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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:00 PM
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12. Because Bill was down there hammering away at these precincts for the prior week
Edited on Sat Jan-19-08 11:00 PM by caligirl
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:07 PM
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16. Because the Reagan's talk doesn't appeal to union members
:shrug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:09 PM
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17. They did not know they were to receive the BAM.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-19-08 11:31 PM
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19. There is one commandment which a campaign must observe
assisuously. First know thine opposition.

Hilary has an exceptionally good relationship with the Hispanic
Community.

The 527 who put up that terrible ad about Hilary does not understand
Campaigns I fear. An ad to have an impact must have enough truthiness
that the public will buy it.According to a reporter from Salon, she
said there was a backlash effect observed earlier in the week.
People do not automatically buy into an ad. I will bet the Clinton
campaign responded quickly and strongly. ( I was not there)

Since Hilary has a good relationship with the Hispanic Community
it is fairly certain they will surpport her with their votes.
I would say since large numbers supported her, it made it easier
for them to stand up to the Union Supervisors., who may have
preferred they vote for Obama.
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gdaerin Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:19 AM
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22. Why did Clinton win the same voters Obama claimed she tried to "suppress"?
because of Hipanics? Have you ever taken a sociology class? Minorities compete

And, Clinton supporters did try to suppress voters, so I guess they underestimated the Hispanics?
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 AM
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23. your assumptions are all wrong. First hrc did not try to surpress
anyone from voting....Second hrc's campaign knew that nevada was a great time to give back to the latino voters all the support they have shown her from early 07, and all way through her senate races.....hrc campaigned hard and often for this vote....and what happened, she took a big majority.....plus looking ahead to the general election, this puts into play nevada which the repubs won in 04 and put in play new mexico the repugs won in 04 and arizona the repubs won in 04.....So lets just say that hrc wins all the states kerry won in 04 and adds those 3 states....what do you have? you have President elect Hillary Rodham Clinton....uh huh
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:19 AM
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26. Because Obama is full of shit and a sore loser
and really pissed that the union members voted their real choice instead of the union boss' choice. I am a union member and I could give a shit what my insipid local union president thinks about anything.
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