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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:01 PM
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I see that Hillary's supporters have decided to go the "Sore/Loserman" route regarding Obama's win
yesterday. There entire primise is more of the same RW talking point bullshit that their candidate and her husband love.

Whats the purpose of the primary? Do we take each candidate's popular vote total, add it all up and august and give the nomination to whoever got the most votes, or does our system use Delegates?

If you answer that truthfully, you'll understand why Hillary lost yesterday. In a system where delegates are the only prize, whoever wins the most, wins the primary.

Why is that so hard to understand? How can NOT winning the most delegates be spun into a win for anyone?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:06 PM
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1. obamanistas embrace george bush's success story from 2000. congratulations nt
before you call all the hillary supporters 'gestapo' again you will recall bush got more electoral votes and gore more popular votes. so now obama gets more delegates/electors and clinton gets more popular and that becomes suddenly good for...you ta da. you have now adopted and supported the bush strategy.

have a nice day
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:08 PM
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3. The system is what it is. If you win under the system, you still win
Now, if you were using your head, you'd remember that the bitch in 2000 was that Gore HAD the votes to with the electorial college, in Florida, but the supreme court wouldn't let us count them

Don't go changing history.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 PM
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9. the clammer was that the popular vote needed to recounted-the vote of the People.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:27 PM
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20. What the hell is a "clammer"
nt
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:49 PM
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30. A misspelling of "clamor" - n/t
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 01:14 PM
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31. Ah! Thanks
I thought it had to do with New England seafood industry.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:11 PM
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32. Thanks for the correction.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:15 PM
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5. I don't think you understand the caucus system
and even if you do, and insist on your criticism, you are stating that the Democratic party had adopted and supported the Bush strategy as viable.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:22 PM
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15. What I see as the outcome of NV is that Hillary has the BIG MOMentum. YUP.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:28 PM
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21. She doesn't have the Momentum
and even if it comes for her, she still isn't going to compete in SC, so she'll lose whatever she gained going into super tuesday.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:12 PM
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33. SCOREBOARD: 3:1------she has it.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:06 PM
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2. Better tell the media, because they're reporting it as a win.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 PM
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18. I love that post--SWEET
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:10 PM
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4. Does not matter as she has the People behind her-that counts and gives her the Big MO
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:16 PM
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7. "Sore Loserman," last time I heard that phrase, it was being made by...
freepers. Judging from all your negative posts Wolsh, are ye then a Freeper?

The world wants to know.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:19 PM
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11. DIAGNOSIS-Sour Grapes (IP post): TREATMENT: Lots of Sun.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:29 PM
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22. You're not very good at following context
My title says that Hillary supporters are calling the "Obamanation" sore losers. Go look at some of the posts for Lirwin and others on the front page.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:13 PM
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34. I know,
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:22 PM
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16. Hilary Won
Hillary won the cause because she had more votes than Obama. She beat him by 6%. The delegates are important, but are not the deciding factor in determining the winner (votes are).
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:30 PM
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25. Actually, delegates are the ONLY deciding factor in determining a winner
Votes don't count for shit. In a week the vote totals are forgotten, but the delegate count remains.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:15 PM
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35. you must have missed the Headlines yesterday. Sen. Clinton won.
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:15 PM
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6. You are Kidding Right?
Are you a left over from the ole Yahoo discussion boards? If you want to talk about delegates and losing you may want to see the total ass kicking Obama is getting in that race as well http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D Thank god we only have two more weeks of this bullshit. After Obama is eliminated on super Tuesday what will your hopeless spin be? Are you just Pissed that the Kerry kiss "o" death endorsement didn't work out the way you had hoped? Do you Obama supporters work in shifts? You are not doing your candidate any favors by sliming the opponent over and over. In case you have been in a cave let me explain it to you. It Isn't Working. All you, and those like are doing is pissing us off more and motivating us to get out in droves to support our candidate. Perhaps when you get the kids to put down their video games and get out and vote you may actually have a legitimate voice. I think the bigger headline should read. Despite Endorsement Of Obama, Union and Latino voters overwhelmingly Turn To Clinton For Change.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:31 PM
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26. Looks like the kids came out to play
Does your mommy know you're using the computer this morning?
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:35 PM
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29. Welcome to DU!
Exactly:

"I think the bigger headline should read. Despite Endorsement Of Obama, Union and Latino voters overwhelmingly Turn To Clinton For Change."

:thumbsup:
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 PM
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8. Since thousands of delegates are needed to win the nomination
and it seems at most Obama will get one more delegate than Hillary out of Nevada, the delegate total is pretty meaningless. What counts are political perceptions and the political trend reflected by the sentiments expressed by those who participated in the Nevada process, not how the complicated machinery of it allotts the handfull of dfinal elegates.

On the perception level the vast majority of news coverage calls Clinton the winner in Nevada. That gives Clinton momentum, not Obama. As for political trend lines, Clinton established in Nevada that she is the candidate who had the most support there AND more important, she established that she is the candidate with overwhelming Hispanic support. The latter was the reason why Nevada got moved up by the DNC early in the primary season in the first place, to give a showcase where the votes of hispanics could be weighed and registered in the process.

You can claim victory for Obama over the delegate count if you want, but it is a completely hollow victory you claim. It is not the victory Obama wanted or needed. I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton would NOT trade places with Obama over the Nevada results if she could, and I have no doubt that Barack Obama WOULD trade places with Hillary over the Nevada results if he could.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:18 PM
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10. Weren't you the one bellyaching when I mentioned
that Hillary came in a near tie. close second in Iowa for the same reasons?

The fact is --Obama and Hillary are tied for delegates in NV (one in dispute) and she won the more newsworthy popular vote.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:21 PM
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13. Chuckle--bellyaching. I have not heard that term in a long long time. brings back
memories--good ones. as my dad used to us it--"stop bellyaching" (and we did-te he)
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:22 PM
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14. Hillary was THIRD in Iowa
You're funny.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:29 PM
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23. Second in terms of delegates, IIRC
so I guess it depends how we're counting things these days.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:31 PM
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27. Not by Wolsh's argument
she received one more delegate than Edwards. That's my point. Of course she was third.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:21 PM
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12. STOP IT!
Just stop this crap!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:23 PM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:24 PM
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19. yup--and that is the Big Mo
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:31 PM
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28. You can use all the cliche names you want, but Hillary has yet to WIN the majority of delegates
in a competitive primary or caucus.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:16 PM
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36. I celebrate the Sweetness of the scoreboard, 3:1
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 12:29 PM
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24. BREAKING: Obamaniacs officially jump shark!
:wow: just :wow:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:18 PM
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37. Some are having a bad hair day.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:18 PM
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38. What a card.
:rofl:
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