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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:21 PM
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my hunney is a teacher in NV and NV State Ed. Assn endorsed Clinton without a vote of the teachers
Edited on Sun Jan-20-08 04:18 PM by ursi
so when others cry about the CWU not letting the workers vote on it, take a chill pill. This is how these agencies do their dirty or useful deeds. The same with the American Fed of State, County and Municipal employees union. I am a state worker and I didn't get to endorse through them. They picked Clinton without my input.

Enough said. Why do we fight over silly things.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:23 PM
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1. Well...they were just as wrong as the Culinary Worker's Union...
I honestly don't believe any union should endorse a candidate, w/o allowing the workers to vote on it.

The Union is there to be a voice for the workers and their interests....therefore, the Union should allow the workers to have a say in who the union endorses.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:25 PM
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2. unions aren't exactly democracies
they're organizations with leadership, much like a corporation, and they take their orders from the top down.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:28 PM
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3. I don't think they should endorse in primaries. unless there is an anti-labor candidate in the race
It's a waste of money and it only causes hard feelings in the party and division in labor. They should hold their fire for the GE if there are all pro-labor Dems running in the primaries. It's not like they can expect better or worse treatment from one or the other of these candidates.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:29 PM
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4. US Postal Service - same thing.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:29 PM
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5. I don't think the teachers union officially endorsed Clinton. nt
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:22 PM
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11. correct nt
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:34 PM
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6. Unions have endorsement committees. The leadership may be on them,
but I wouldn't say that a union necessarily is a top down structure. If it is, the membership is not very involved. Each union endorses according to its needs. Obviously, the culinary workers saw something in Obama. There decision might have been a close vote in the committee. The same might be true of the teachers or municipal employees. Don't buy that right wing crap about union corruption. The same goes for our generalizations about corporations.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:21 PM
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15. We have a winner
The endorsement committees make take into consideration what their membership prefers, but they don't have to. They make their decisions based upon the candidate's platform and views.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 03:51 PM
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7. Three different Reporters on different stations--the Teacher's
Union did not endorse ANYONE.

Does HRC have friends in the Teacher's Union? yes

No endorsement.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:19 PM
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9. that's funny, perhaps you didn't get the letter that came out?
I don't have a scanner but I will see if I can get someone else to scan it for me and I'll post it.
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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:18 PM
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8. for what it is worth, I ran for office once as a Dem in our little city in Repug Nevada
and all of us candidates met with the board of the city employees union and had to explain why we were the right choice for the employees in order to get the union endorsement.

The board of the union picked the endorsement, not the employees. That's just how it is done in most unions.

I did not mean to offend anyone with my original post. This is just the way it is in my experience.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:22 PM
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10. Executive Committees of union often do that
If they expect a controversy they may poll the membership, but not always.
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 04:31 PM
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12. The American Federation of Teachers union also endorsed Hillary
Generally, these choices are made by a committee of union leaders (representatives) who interview all the candidates and then pick one.

I have never heard of putting it out to the members of the union to vote on.

It's always done this way, which is why many teachers just ignore it, and make up their own minds.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:09 PM
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13. I am a teacher too and I support Hillary despite
the union's endorsement not because of it. yes I am a union member.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:19 PM
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14. In Kentucky the Teacher's Union comes out for the candidate most
likely to benefit the teachers and the schools. The candidate chosen is always a democrat for obvious reasons. There is no need for a canvas because teachers know that our union looks carefully at all the candidates before it recommends one and because we can of course vote against the rec if we do not agree with it.
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