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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:31 PM
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Racism=sexism=homophobia
They all stink.

And to promulgate one while decrying another stinks even worse.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:32 PM
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1. Agreed. Furthermore both camps are guilty.
Who is with me on that?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:36 PM
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3. I'll agree that I've seen it from both camps
but there are terrific Obama supporters just as there are terrific Clinton supporters.

So I don't want to generalize about either group.

What prompted this post was that I've seen three or four posts decrying racism or racist undertones from people who were very vociferous McClurkin deniers.

I think it benefits us all to be consistent in attacking bigotry when we see it.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:40 PM
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4. Okay.
I will condemn McLurkin right now. I will also condemn Bob Kerrey for his Madrassa lie as one of the most disgusting anti-islam things I have ever heard.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:47 PM
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5. That's fair
:thumbsup:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:56 PM
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6. Politics is hard enough--we should hold campaigns responsible for campaigns.
Having a tenuous connection with somebody who has stupid beliefs or statements shouldn't be considered endorsement by association. That goes for Kerrey and McClurkin both. We should hold camps responsible for what they and their endorsers actually put into the campaign.
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:03 PM
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7. I agree completely with what you say
Since Senator Obama actually hired McClurkin to MC a fundraising event, he should be held to a higher standard.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:08 PM
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8. the Wraith
evidently (until he tells me otherwise) is very bothered by racist undertones on a discussion board, but not too concerned about a presidential candidate letting a homophobe preach virulent anti gay rhetoric at a fundraiser.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:18 PM
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10. Evidently you're not very bothered by accuracy.
I know getting the facts to you is a lost cause, but I'll say it one more time for anyone who might otherwise be taken in: McClurkin was invited as an act, not to make commentary. It was an outreach event, not a fundraiser. And yes, the self-described ex-gay singer said onstage not to call him a bigot, he'd has the same feelings, but God had delivered him from homosexuality. It's a pretty stupid opinion, and one that Obama made clear he doesn't agree with before and after the event, but if you want to obsess on that, feel free. I'm sure it doesn't bother you that anyone in American politics is going to have had far worse associations than that with people who have regressive viewpoints.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:23 PM
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12. What you're forgetting is that Obama had plenty of lead time
to disinvite him.

The Human Rights Campaign asked him to disinvite him.

Many gay people of color contaced his campaign and asked for him to be disinvited.

There was a huge outcry on the web for him to be disinvited.

And Obama went through it with it anyway, knowing what McClurkin's message was, knowing he was a symbol of bigotry for gays and lesbians and knowing that McClurkin's presence would hurt very many people.

He made an active, informed decision to let the man appear on HIS stage.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:14 PM
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9. Not hired, not MC, and not a fundraiser.
The misinformation about this is crazy. McClurkin wasn't hired, he was invited. It wasn't a fundraising event, it was community outreach. And McClurkin was there as a singer, not an MC.

So much for civility.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 06:35 PM
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2. K&R
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-20-08 07:20 PM
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11. Agree with you 100% - recommended
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