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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 02:59 PM
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Rev. Caldwell's Homophobic Mission Statement Disappears
"Barack Obama being endorsed by one of George W. Bush's spiritual advisers wasn't exactly news to me. I wasn't even going to post on it, especially since Obama isn't exactly running as a devout Democrat. Besides, regardless of Obama's endless talk, he doesn't have any problem whatsoever in embracing homophobics. Donnie McClurkin was exhibit A.

But this latest development is very interesting. Now Rev. Caldwell's ministry, after he endorsed Obama, has nuked the page everyone was linking to yesterday that outlines his church's mission statement, which trumpets homosexuality as something a person "seeking freedom" from "habitual sins" should seek out.

Thank heavens for Google cache:

Metanoia Ministry

We are pleased to announce the creation of “ The Way, The Truth and The Life”, a program created to provide Christ Centered instruction for those seeking freedom from homosexuality, lesbianism, prostitution, sex addiction and other habitual sins.

But the original page is now gone. Poof! Call rewrite - stat.

This is what Obama and his campaign does repeatedly. Hide the record in order to prop up his propaganda. Lucky for them the national press seems to be sleeping through it all.

Matt Stoller has more."



More http://www.taylormarsh.com/
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:01 PM
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1. Unbelievable
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:02 PM
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2. Wow.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:02 PM
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3. Shocking...
Oh wait, no it's not... :puke:
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:02 PM
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4. Looks like Obama
will be voting "present" on the issue of the "ex-gay" movement.

I will follow suit by voting "present" if he's the nominee.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:07 PM
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8. Well it proves someone is paying attention
but they HOPE it will all just go away




(don't forget to rec for exposure)
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:21 PM
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13. This story is not going to go away
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:38 PM
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41. It needs brighter light than the internet. Who will take it higher?
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:03 PM
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5. So Obviously, Obama and his staff know that this is a problem
One that they want to hide. If he was a real man, he'd call out these fuckers and tell them they are bigots.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:04 PM
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6. Google cache is the only antidote we have for 1984 style revisionism
Google cache would have kept Trotsky in all those group photos Stalin had him airbrushed out of.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:06 PM
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7. bwahahahahaha!
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:10 PM
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9. It's Obama
the hypocrite. What is so surprising about what he has done? This is Obama as usual. He is as much a machine candidate, embracing the negative campaigning, as any smear merchant.

The fact that he is attempting to santize the negatives in "real time" so to speak, is a testament to the Blogosphere, which helps to hold him accountable for the fickle fanatics of his with a short memory.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:10 PM
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10. Looks like the bushies paid for the GeeksRus purge! GOBAMA!
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 03:11 PM by robbedvoter
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:13 PM
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12. GOBAMA
I thought that was a college cheer for the University of Alabama.

Just a typical hyperbolic Obamaton.....
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:24 PM
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14. I think the correct spelling is NObama
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:11 PM
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11. PURGE
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:25 PM
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15. Does anyone need further confirmation that the association between them is real?
Unbelieveable.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:27 PM
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16. They'll come up with some twisted defense
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:37 PM
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24. The duplicity is astounding.
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 03:37 PM by Harvey Korman
Now they'll just pretend it was never there.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:42 PM
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26. You said it, Hedy!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:27 PM
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17. You can still access it here:
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:31 PM
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21. "heal those wounded with broken sexuality"
Amazing. Don't they see how hurtful those words are?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:34 PM
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22. I really don't think they do.....
They think they are doing God's work.....that's what makes them scary.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:28 PM
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18. this is a good, decent and moral man if I ever saw one.nt.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:28 PM
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19. huckabee fundies unite nt
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:30 PM
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20. Unbelievable...I wonder how quickly
the page came down after the call from Obama campaign headquarters.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:35 PM
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23. But they can't kill it in the archives. :)
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:41 PM
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25. Lets see
if the M$M picks it up. As an Edwards supporter, I'm sure the silence will be deafening. It would work against the agenda.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:50 PM
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28. Kudos to Taylor Marsh for bringing this to light
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:54 PM
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31. And Matt Stoller
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:01 PM
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36. Yes of course Matt too
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:54 PM
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43. Taylor's got this posted?
ROFL, expect more "off with her head" posts after this!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:12 PM
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45. Yes, and Matt Stoller. The link is in the OP
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:43 PM
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27. www.witnessfortheworld.org
Where can I go for help if I'm struggling?

We provide this list of black churches to first of all celebrate and applaud their faith in action works which help to heal those wounded with broken sexuality. As we become aware of more churches which are stepping out with real ministry, we'll list them here. If you are in these local areas and need help or someone to talk to or attend a church where "dealing with homosexuality" is more than just a Sunday sermon blurb, we strongly encourage you to get up and put your faith into action. If you know of a predominately black church of any size providing overcoming ministry please contact us for listing here.

. . .

Windsor Village UMC
Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, Pastor
12401 S Post Oak Rd
Houston, TX 77045

METANOIA MINISTRY
(713) 551-8630

A program created to provide Christ Centered instruction for those seeking freedom from homosexuality, lesbianism, prostitution, sex addiction and other habitual sins

http://www.witnessfortheworld.org/chlist.html
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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:53 PM
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29. TALK ABOUT A CHANGE AGENT!
I guess Obama was telling the truth for a change. Only problem is he wasn't so clear as to what change he was talking about!
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:54 PM
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30. I seriously just want to vomit now

Strange the Obama supporters fallen silent
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:15 PM
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46. I did vomit!
Damn and now I have to clean it up.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:55 PM
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32. No wonder the ObamaBots hate Taylor Marsh - she tells the truth about Obama!
How DARE she!
:sarcasm:
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:56 PM
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33. You know, I'm just going to say this


Is he using this covertly to get votes in the south with the AA anti homosexual vote, if thats the case, I want his ass dragged through the myre for it.

this is shocking.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:58 PM
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34. Who needs republicans when we have BO cozying up to
all the homophobes.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 03:59 PM
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35. This can only mean the Rev has suddenly been "delivered" of his Homophobia
It's a miracle. Rejoice!
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:03 PM
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37. Cowards! If you're bold enough to have it on your website you should be bold enough to defend it.
Nice Trojan horse move there, Metanoia Ministries.

At least gay people have the courage of their convictions; Pastor Caldwell certainly doesn't.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:07 PM
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38. just been on a few websites
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 04:07 PM by sunonmars
This Caldwell thing is going down like a sack of shit with the gay community. After the reagan thing, this is bad for him.

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ClericJohnPreston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:12 PM
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39. Obamatons will avoid this thread
because COGNITIVE DISSONANCE hurts their throbbing heads as more of his TALK doesn't reflect in ACTIONS.

The marshmallow candidate and his form over substance strikes again!!!!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:40 PM
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42. Is it spreading? It needs much brighter light than a few blogs
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:15 PM
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48. I'll bet the Advocate will have it either tomorrow or Wednesday.
I've already emailed the Human Rights Campaign about it.

This will get bigger. Count on it.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:34 PM
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50. Thanks
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:57 PM
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54. If you wonder why, take a look at this thread.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 04:14 PM
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40. Transcripts of phone conversations revealed from rev. caldwell's 'Give Fear to the Queer' Youth Camp
facetious :sarcasm: don't read it if you're thinking I'm implying this occurred! (cough cough)





webmaster - "Reverend Caldwell, we have BIG news, are you sitting down, your highness?"

rev caldwell - "speak to me"

webmaster - "well Sir, it appears your Mission Statement, you know, the one that goes into detail about why we're out recruiting those little queers for Jesus to get them cleansed of their filth?"

rev caldwell - "um... oh, that thing, yeah, what about it?"

webmaster - "well Sir, we haven't had a hit on that page since George Bush visited it in 2000, but yesterday we received thousands and thousands of visits to it in one day, and most of the people are coming from a subversive website called 'democratunderground' or such, what should we do?"

rev caldwell - "I better get Obama on the line. I'll be back in touch later"

---

O - "Hello?"

rev caldwell - "Senator Obama, we've got a problem with Metanoia"

O - "what's going on? don't tell me you got caught with one of the boys?"

rev caldwell - "oh no sir, no sir!"

O - "Then what is it? Did Sen. Graham finally seek your help like I told him to?"

rev caldwell - "No, unfortunately, not yet. Senator, it seems some queer-loving website called democratunderground is keen to our Metanoia outreach to the queer crowd and has attacked it 5000 times, or something"

O - "yes, we're aware. our operatives at that site our trying to put out the fire, but until the end of the campaign I'd appreciate you removing it."

rev caldwell - "well, George was the last one to see it anyhow"

O - "obviously"

rev caldwell - "alright, color it done! you just let me know when you need to rally up some more of GAWD's people's votes, I'll be there preaching on that stage!"


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:03 PM
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44. K&R!
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:15 PM
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47. Good.
One less piece of hate speech on the internet. Good for Obama if he made this happen.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:17 PM
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49. Fucking cowards
Edited on Mon Jan-21-08 05:17 PM by terrya
They're still involved with their abusive "ex-gay" stuff.

But they remove any references on their website.

Hatemongering, cowardly shits.
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 05:35 PM
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51. What, is Obama supposed to check everyones...
positions and beliefs a the doors of all of his rally's.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:39 PM
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52. Try reading the article and comprehending it.
This has nothing to do with checking beliefs before entering a rally:dunce:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:41 PM
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53. No, just the people he gives platforms to and uses for outreach.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 06:58 PM
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55. No, he's supposed to vet his campaign spokespeople and leave out bigots.
Wouldn't you be outraged if a Democratic candidate was campaigning with white supremacists?

If you think this is all about nothing, review this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2594149&mesg_id=2638684
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-21-08 07:02 PM
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56. According to AmericaBlog, it was nuked because the church no longer is a part of that.
http://www.americablog.com/2008/01/obama-and-gays-again.html

Statement from Caldwell: "Metanoia Ministries is not an active ministry of my church. It was run by an outside group and I was not aware that it was still linked to my website. Neither Senator Obama nor his staff knew of this outside ministry, nor have they expressed any agreement with my church's beliefs on gay rights. I support Senator Obama because of his ability to bring Americans together, not because of our agreement or disagreement on any one issue."

Ooooh! Conspiracy!!!

:eyes:

And it turns out that Caldwell isn't going to be doing anything with the Obama campaign.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 12:37 AM
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57. K&R
:dem:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-22-08 08:31 PM
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58. Thanks for informing us of this. The mainstream media is hiding Obama's Rovian anti-gay strategy
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