Here comes Florida: "The agreement is off"

Howard Wolfson just walked out of a debate-prep session into the lobby of a local Hilton and was handed a phone. It was Representative Corrine Brown of Florida.

The Congresswoman was apparently upset about the Obama campaign’s decision to air television ads in Florida—she was watching TV when one of the ads came on--despite a pledge signed by the Democratic candidates not to campaign there to punish the state for violating Democratic National Committee rules.

“The ban is off – the agreement is off,” Wolfson said.

He listened for a beat as the Congresswoman told him of her desire to invite Hillary for some last-minute appearances in Florida, and he said, “Then you can say, ‘I hope that Senator Clinton comes down here.’”

http://www.observer.com/2008/wolfson-agreement

Time for him to learn how the game is played...

Show the proof.

let the games begin!

bragging rights alone?

:shrug:

but who knows?

The DNC can deny the candidates their delegates for early campaigning. As I read it, the DNC could decide to seat the delegates for the state, but still punish those candidates they consider in violation of the timing provision by denying them their delegates.

A presidential candidate who campaigns in a state where the state party is in
violation of the timing provisions of these rules, or where a primary or caucus is
set by a state’s government on a date that violates the timing provisions of these
rules, may not receive pledged delegates or delegate votes from that state.
Candidates may, however, campaign in such a state after the primary or caucus
that violates these rules.

Matters.
And I also think the delegates will be seated. It's insane not to.
Who wants to throw Michigan and Florida to the Reps in the general? Not me.

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it gives her even more momentum going into Feb. 5.

The second he ran an ad, this became contested.

He didn't run ads any more than she ran ads. This was a built in excuse and they decided to use it.

The race that likely would have been largely ignored suddenly gets some attention again.

Next they plan on carpetbombing the state with Spanish ads, then in the convention push the party into seating the delegates from both Florida and Michigan.

This is the start of the highjacking of the nomination, its only going to get nastier from on out.

about running ads in Spanish. What an unfair way to influence an election! That would be a direct appeal for votes and an unfair advantage to campaigns that don't have political machines well oiled enough to find someone who can speak in Spanish!

you sure you're not looking for freerepublic?

I guess, trust me, he is at the right place.

I would rather leave the John Birch Society!

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What a joke. This isn't an "excuse" -- it's Obama breaking his word. What an ahole that guy is. At this point I wouldn't vote for him for dogcatcher. I swear I have never sat out a GE and not voted for the Dem nominee. I held my nose hard and voted for Kerry. But if Obama gets the nod I just might have to sit this one out for the first time in 29 years of voting.

because of the role it played in the 2000 election in particular. Democrats continually think of Florida as a possible pick up state. Whoever wins that primary, especially if the taboo over it being not contested is removed, gains some real momentum from that. Democrats want a winner for Florida, and it can be assumed that Florida Democrats are the ones who best understand what type of Democrat can run and win in Florida in 2008.

to campaign, and will then hold up its hands saying, "wasn't me!"

The campaign mgr will go on to say, "Even though we love the endorsement of these ex-gays, and even had one on our payroll for our SC event, we still love the queers. Why, I'm sending a dose of hope to the gay community as we speak. The Hope express is leaving the station. WOO WOO! Get on the sanctity train my gay brothers, lesbian sisters and transgendered others - just be sure to keep your identity a secret. It may offend of some the folks we're inviting into my massive tent."

the Jax and Tallahassee tv markets to reach southern Georgia. I am not saying this is what the Obama campaign is doing but a clear evidence of a violation of the agreement would be if the ads are running in markets south of I-10.
That said, I have thought it was only a matter of time before Florida came into play. The ultimate resolution of how many Florida delegates are allowed to vote and for whom may blow the party asunder. I pray otherwise, but a campaign that goes to all the way to a Convention that is decided by votes that are awarded by rules that are changed after the fact would be a recipe for disaster.

That is a very different point.

“Both national cable networks told us it would be impossible for us to run advertising nationally that excluded only Florida. For that reason we consulted with the South Carolina Democratic Party Chair Carol Fowler who told us unequivocally she did not consider this to be in violation of pledge made to the early states,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

and not Senator CLinton's campaign or the DNC or the Florida Chair?

about not campaigning here. If she signed off on it, then Obama was right.

It takes one phone call.

The Clinton campaign is acting like their noses are out of joint. They will end up winning, with Carville, and Penn, and Wolfson, and all the old school right back in the mix. And Harold Ford as the new chairman.

They don't have a leg to stand on about this issue, though.

Obama had permission to do it.

Let Dr. Dean and the DNC decide whether it's off or on.

I am just so sick of these two campaigns. From someone who was on the ground for caucus in both Iowa and Nevada, I've seen a lot of crap I don't even talk about here. I'm sick of it.

Money Talks... SHIT Walks! Lots of shit walking and we're ALREADY knee-deep in it! You get what you pay for!

I'm so glad I'm opting out after this election, as each day goes by my conviction grows! Democracy is dying in America... Oh, wait... probably DEAD by now!!

Jackson Browne... They sell us our presidents the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars!! Written in the 80's... ANOTHER man before his time, as is John Edwards!

Once again, once again... it's boggles the mind! To those of you who want to continue after the GE, I say GOOD LUCK, but luck is only a FOUR LETTER WORD!!!

It tells you the contempt the Florida Democrats have for the people of the party, for the other states, and for chairman Dean. Yes, that is a screw behind Dean's name. Very very very very classy.



I got my ballot in and it was NOT Hillary.

Why should the love of Dean/party transcend their right to vote?
I liked dean a lot as chairman. Until I learned what he did to Michigan & Florida. It's sad when RNC takes BETTER care of THEIR voters than DNC - this deal deserved those buttons - thanks for the pic! I'll post it in many places! Starting now (I especially love the "Size does matter one)

To Democrats who think it is funny that their state leaders lied, mocked the chairman, used the media the wrong way....and refuse to tell the truth to the people of Florida.

If you think those buttons are funny, it tells that you think tactics of humiliation, lying, and acting like the other states are not important at all.....are all ok.

In my mind they are not.

I am surprised you think it is funny. And disappointed.

Don't you think their right to vote (and matter) is paramount here? WTF is the whole DNC for anyway - if this is taken away? Especially in Florida!

You don't seem to care.

It is easy to ignore the truth if you don't look for it, if you don't pay attention.

I tried to get the truth out, I failed.

I don't really care which cog in the party machine blew up - the election is screwn - and for all the wrong reasons. The supremacy of Iowa and NH. The crazy caucases - with their public and unequal vote. it's all wrong - and can't blame those local Floridians for it all. There have been screw-ups at many levels - so, the boss gets to be responsible for it all, Not such a big stretch from where I sit.
Kinda like blaming the Bush for the war - even if they told him only after they decided.

Florida blew off the DNC, refused to listen. Dean called some in Florida to negotiate and warn them. So did others from the DNC. For months and months.

When he did that, the ones he called..one was named Gelber..told the media and then laughed at him in public.

There is simply no excuse at all for this having gone on. The Florida party spokesperson said in March 2006 that they were right on board with it....meaning working with Jeb's house speaker buddy, Marco Rubio.

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

None of Hillary, none for anyone.

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